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Article quality... Kýrie, eléison [ edit ]

This article is sadly, sadly lost in the woods. I do not even know where to start my complaints, there are so many. The entire article is a mish-mash of randomly picked items, not representative at all. I think the sections on Miracles and Legacy epitomize the sad state of this wannabe article. The Miracles section lists 9 randomly picked miracles, in a haphazard order (Cana comes towards the end!) and some are unclear, e.g. Curing a sick child who was near death without links, etc. The Legacy section has one terse paragraph without a single WP:Secondary source, then a much larger section on the Book of Mormon. How does that describe the "Legacy of Jesus" in Christianity, when just one paragraph sans secondary references is used, and then the views of just one denomination? Kyrie Eleison, Lord have mercy! This article really needs a rewrite. I do not have time to rewrite it now, but will flag it as such. Help from knowledgeable editors will be appreciated.... Kyrie Eleison... History2007 (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Two months later, it is fixed now, flags removed. History2007 (talk) 21:55, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Notification of Requested move [ edit ]

There is currently an open requested move on Talk:Christ to move the page from its current name to Christ (title). Ḉɱ̍ 2nd anniv. 17:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I think it is fine as it is. Was Jesus not his name?! The Messiah is coming (talk) 12:26, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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File:William Blake - Christ as the Redeemer of Man - WGA02225.jpg [ edit ]

@The New Classic and Hazhk: I still don't think this is a good image for the lead. Yes, it does represent the ascension of Jesus, but Blake's style is rather atypical. The painting by Vannini is far more recognizable as something typical, and its very well written caption recounts an important Christian belief about Jesus. The Blake image has been removed (at least) twice, and I support removing it once again. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 16:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you. That's why I thanked you for your reversion.--Hazhk (talk) 17:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Blake's atypical style is better as it is not cliche, and recounts more Christian beliefs than the other picture. It recounts Jesus' incarnation, deah, resurrection, and transfiguration by showing God the Father receiving Jesus. By showing Satan at the bottom, it displays Jesus' triumph over the Devil after his sacrifice that saved the world from the Devil's temptations-thus it even includes the belief the other picture's caption says, and in a more subtle way.The New Classic (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
A lead image doesn't have two pages of commentary, which, like many religious images by Blake, this would need. Johnbod (talk) 00:52, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
No, it wouldn't. The commentary I put here is only about as big as that of the current leas image.The New Classic (talk) 02:07, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but it hardly explains the image. Johnbod (talk) 02:39, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
No, it is suficient. It is also hard evidence that the picture I chose delivers so much more info than the other one. Besides, Willam Blake seems to be much more notable an artist than the other painter (look at the size of their Wikipedia articles).The New Classic (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't think your primary motivation here is improving this article. You're only interested in pushing William Blake artworks into articles. But in this case, your image isn't actually informative. Wikipedia is not an image repository or art gallery; It's not a place for you to show off images you like. Every image in this article illustrates an event in Christ's life or an aspect of his ministry. --Hazhk (talk) 09:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Ongoing presence [ edit ]

I'm struck by the lack of discussion of Jesus' ongoing presence in both this article and Christology. Many Christians believe in and/or experience Jesus as present with them or as an active agent in the world at the current time. I imagine it would be appropriate to include Jesus' presence in the eucharist, his presence in the hungry, strangers, the naked, the sick, and prisoners, and especially his presence in prayer. Of course, we'll need to find some sources on this topic to guide our writing, but I wanted to point out what seemed to me as an obvious lack. Daask (talk) 11:55, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree largely with you, and have reflected upon this topic a great deal. It boils down to, in my view, that for those who follow Christ, the gifts of the Spirit and the witness of Jesus as Savior are present, but it is extremely difficult to articulate in words that might pass Wikipedia’s guidelines. C.S. Lewis does an excellent job. Bseegmiller (talk) 02:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Latter-day Saint view on Jesus [ edit ]

“Latter Day Saints teach that Jesus is the result of a physical union between God the Father and Mary.”

Not quite, and in fact, this is very offensive and quite misleading. There is no footnote to this paragraph, and I move it be struck out. I would do it myself (as I have done elsewhere), but I don’t want to get into a edit fight with someone ignorant and persistent, because to some (or many) the Latter-day Movement itself is controversial.

This was a birth through a virgin (no intercourse), though, as with many other Christian sects, Jesus is the only begotten of the Father, which means (in the LDS) that while God the Father is the father, the method of the seed transmission is not stated, and is extremely unlikely to be through what we call introitus, as this would leave Mary __NOT_ a virgin, and would not be a virgin birth. There’s not more in the Bible than what Gabriel tells her.

Bottom line: Mary remained a virgin until she had relations with her husband, Joseph. Bseegmiller (talk) 02:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Like my edits? (= [ edit ]

Added more detail wording and links. The Messiah is coming (talk) 12:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I think this recent edit might be problematic [1], because it adds an external link to a specific website, which can be seen as promotion, and does not adhere to neutral point of view. – Ase1estet@lkc0ntribs 13:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I will revert this specific edit for now so that we can discuss. – Ase1estet@lkc0ntribs 13:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Please note that your other edits are fine, at least in my opinion. ;) – Ase1estet@lkc0ntribs 13:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I removed your modification to add the rapture. It is not accepted by all Christians. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

They weren't both FULLY human because God is holy and much higher then any human. The Messiah is coming (talk) 23:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Pls don't remove my other edits. The Messiah is coming (talk) 23:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, who were both fully human? You cannot start in the middle of a discussion and expect others to understand what you're talking about.; Your edits are simply not well written, accurate and in this case, fraught with simple errors like splitting the word "virgin" in two and then removing the space after it to create a non-word and incorrect capitalization of "Old Testament". Then there's the poor theology in the statement. Pauline theology equated "the first Adam" with Jesus as "the second Adam". To insert Eve into that mix is probably politically correct, but theologically problematic. Finally there is the WP:SPAMLINK which is not even added as a reference but as ain inline external link, which is not permitted. (See WP:ELPOINTS No. 2). With that said, it was good to include a brief discussion of Jesus' miracles, but it should be done with respect to the rest of the article's contents. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
What is this?