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Latter Day Church of Christ Establishment [ edit ]

There is some confusion on the establishment date of the Latter Day Church of Christ. Several different dates appear in various pages

  1. The list says 1926
  2. In Shields, Divergent Paths, (pages 134-35) the Incorporation of the Davis County Cooperative Society occurred 7 February 1941.
  3. The Utah Attorney General’s Office and Arizona Attorney General's Office in the Primer (page 15) uses 1935
  4. The Latter Day Church of Christ page the disputed 1977 incorporation as its date of "Creation" for the Latter Day Church of Christ itself. I cannot seem to get the info the "References" the page suggest linking its creation to 1977. It may be there, but I have been unable to find it.

On top of that, more than one date may be correct, so which one should be use. Assuming the sources that say the Latter Day Church of Christ was "Incorporated" in 1977, this doesn't mean that the Sect was "Created" then. There has never been a "Incorporation" requirement for the "creation" of a sect that I have found on Wikipedia. If it had, I huge number of sects in the LDS movement would probably not be considered "Create". Also I not sure if a "Name Change" constitutes a "New Creation". Since Latter Day Church of Christ is just a "reincorporation" of Davis County Cooperative Society, why is the date of creation restarted?

I think some discussion is in order as I'm not even sure how to fix this.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 13:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Elders Warren Parrish and Samuel Stevens [ edit ]

Does anyone know where I can find a public domain photograph of Elder Warren Parish or Elder Samuel Stevens for use on this page.. These men were assistants to Joseph Smith Jr. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 12:38, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find an image of Warren Parish at all, and I have tired. The best sources I have found for Mormon Images are
However, as far as I can tell, none of these have images of ether of these men.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 13:16, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Confederate Nations of Israel and Alex Joseph [ edit ]

I have run across some confusion regarding the "Confederate Nations of Israel". Per a number of sources I have found, while Confederate Nations of Israel was founded by Alex Joseph it was not the name of the sect he founded. It was "Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly". Confederate Nations of Israel was the political arm he started, and should not be confused with the sect. However, I'm not sure how this should be noted on the list, as calling the sect "Confederate Nations of Israel" is a very common mistake, which is even noted here. Even the Confederate Nations of Israel says that it is not a "sect" but a " hybrid church–political organization" and "multi-denominational".

Two really sources to cite the name are:

  1. Webb, Loren (December 22, 2012), Southern Utah Memories: Alex Joseph Story, Big Water, Utah: KCSG Television, retrieved August 21, 2013
  2. Stokes, Jerry (2007), Changing World Religions, Cults & Occult, p. 159, retrieved August 21, 2013

I think the name should be changed to "Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly" with the "Notes" mentioning "Confederate Nations of Israel". However, I thought I would ask for ideas before I attempt any change. --ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 20:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Centennial Park [ edit ]

Why is Centennial Park a break off of the Short Creek Community and not the FLDS? It seems strange. After all they broke from Leroy S. Johnson, the FLDS leader over the "One man rule". It is called the "Second Ward" with the FLDS the "First Ward". The Centennial Park page makes it sound like a splinter group of the FLDS and it is listed as a splinter group on the FLDS page (Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter_Day_Saints#FLDS_splinter_groups). --ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 22:13, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation page for "Restored" churches [ edit ]

I just created a stub for a small sect based in Ontario called the Church of Jesus Christ Restored and added it to the RLDS table. There are so many churches with similar names that it seems wise to have a disambig page for any sect with Restored or Restoration in the title. Does that seem like a good idea? Mycota (talk) 02:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Change the title from "Sects" to "LDS derived" "denominations" for NPOV title [ edit ]

The article on Sects says that "...the term is occasionally used in a malicious way to suggest the broken-off group follows a more negative path than the original. The historical usage of the term sect in Christendom has had pejorative connotations and refers to a group or movement with heretical beliefs or practices that deviate from those of groups considered orthodox. I tried to find other Christian churches being referred to as sects (Lutheran, Catholic, etc) it would seem that only the very small branches or bizarre are referred to as "sects".

The article Christian denomination defines a Christian denomination as

a distinct religious body identified by traits such as a common name, structure, leadership and doctrine. Individual bodies, however, may use alternative terms to describe themselves, such as church or sometimes fellowship. Divisions between one group and another are defined by doctrine and by church authority; issues such as the nature of Jesus, the authority of apostolic succession, eschatology, and papal primacy may separate one denomination from another. Groups of denominations-often sharing broadly similar beliefs, practices, and historical ties are known as branches of Christianity.

This article on Christian denomination also includes lists the various groups of the Latter-day Saint movement.

Given Wikipedia's policy on Article titles, the policy on contentious labels the negative connotation of the word "sect" in the title, and the fact that this is only used in the media to describe small, polygamous Mormon groups, and to be consistent with the article on Christian denominations, I propose a more NPOV title. I would suggest the more neutral: List of Latter Day Saint derived churches. Or to be consistent with the Latter day saint movement template List of Latter Day Saint denominations with the fundamentalist sects being listed in a separate category at the end.

If there is no objection, I will create a redirect here and copy and paste the content "as is" to the new page. Dig Deeper (talk) 00:02, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't object in principle to changing the name of the article. I do object to renaming it "List of Latter Day Saint derived churches". Seems a bit clunky and I haven't seen that terminology used in the Latter Day Saint movement before. "List of Latter Day Saint denominations" might work, though I think "denomination" might be too broad for what we are referencing. I think the entire Latter Day Saint movemenet is better seen as a Christian denomination, which I think was the original reason "sects" was chosen for the various groups within the movement. But "denominations" is probably better than "sects" for this article name.
I also object to a cut and pasting of the content to a new page! That's not how article names are changed in Wikipedia. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your response, I appreciate your feedback. I forgot about the move function, thanks for the heads up! Before making the change, I'll give this a little more time to see if there are any other opinions on this.Dig Deeper (talk) 20:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Given that any rename is bound to be at least somewhat controversial, it would probably be best to use WP:RM to propose a new name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 22 August 2016 [ edit ]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Details reasons for Move unopposed after 1 week of listing (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 06:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


List of sects in the Latter Day Saint movementList of denominations in the Latter Day Saint movement – The word "sect" in the title violates Wikipedia's policy on Article titles, particularly the policy on neutrality in article titles. The policy states that non-neutral titles must be commonly used in the popular media. The word "sect" is not neutral (it is negative, see below) and the word is not seen in the popular press with respect to the Latter Day Saint Movement, except and only when describing the polygamous branches of the church. These polygamous branches form only a small part of the churches mentioned in this list.

Also, of the 5 criteria of a good title, this title lacks precision, consistency and naturalness. By including all the non-polygamous churches on the list, the title is not precise. Also "denomination" (not "sect") is always used within other Wikipedia articles as well as in the popular press. The word denomination is more consistent and natural.

--A more detailed explanation of the above points follows--

The word sect is not neutral. The article on Sects says that the term has been used "...in a malicious way to suggest the broken-off group follows a more negative path than the original. The historical usage of the term sect in Christendom has had pejorative connotations and refers to a group or movement with heretical beliefs or practices that deviate from those of groups considered orthodox." The word "sect" is rare and only appears when referring to the polygamous branches of Christianity (for LDS movement, as well as protestant). For example Rulon_C._Allred, List of religious leaders convicted of crimes, Münster Rebellion, etc.

The word "denomination" is more neutral and would seem more precise, natural, and consistent. Searching both the popular press and Wikipedia shows that the use of "denomination" is common and widespread throughout many Wikipedia articles on Later Day Saints churches(eg. the article on Christian denominations, Amboy_Conference, Church of Christ (Temple Lot), the Latter day saint movement template, etc). The article Christian denomination defines a Christian denomination and shows the word denomination is appropriate for the title. Denomination- a distinct religious body identified by traits such as a common name, structure, leadership and doctrine. Individual bodies, however, may use alternative terms to describe themselves, such as church or sometimes fellowship. Divisions between one group and another are defined by doctrine and by church authority; issues such as the nature of Jesus, the authority of apostolic succession, eschatology, and papal primacy may separate one denomination from another. Dig Deeper (talk) 01:34, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


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Re Latter-day Saints new deprecation of terms "Mormon"/"L.D.S." [ edit ]

  1. SLC Tribune[1] >>>>>For over a century, the smaller churches of Joseph Smith’s Restoration movement have differentiated themselves by proudly declaring, “We are not Mormon!” It has been a badge of honor of sorts, a way of sticking it to an alleged rival that has converted more people than all the other Restoration churches combined. How on earth are we [WPdian Hodgd: viz., non-"Latter-day Saints" who join them as participants in the so-called "Latter Day Saint movement"] supposed to differentiate ourselves from the Mormons if they don’t want to be called Mormons either? --- Daniel P. Stone<<<<< --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

The Book Of Jeraneck [ edit ]

The Book Of Jeraneck is a history of Christian followers upon this Land Pre history. It is another testament of Jesus christ as born witness by the people of the Book Of Jeraneck. The book was translated from ancient metal plates given to our Prophet Matthew Gill By a messenger from god . The people who read on line and then criticise it are not reading official documents they are however reading illegal copies that disreputable people then alter and destroy its pure message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.99.95.164 (talk) 13:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Are you suggesting a change in the article? What part of the article do you find does not represent the viewpoint of your denomination? Epachamo (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
What is this?