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Latter-Day Saints, not Mormons. [ edit ]
Many refer to the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as "Mormons", calling our religion "Mormonism", a nickname that leads many to believe that we worship the prophet Mormon, for which our religious text, the Book of Mormon, is named after. However, this is incorrect. As the name of our church suggests, we worship our savior Jesus Christ. Mormon was simply a prophet and historian.
The Apostle, seer, revelator, and current Prophet and Head of the Church Russell M. Nelson said in an address at a semiannual General Conference, "Today I feel compelled to discuss with you a matter of great importance. Some weeks ago, I released a statement regarding a course correction for the name of the Church. I did this because the Lord impressed upon my mind the importance of the name He decreed for His Church, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...[why was it] necessary to emphasize something so 'inconsequential[?]' Some said it could not be done, so why even try? Let me explain why we care so deeply about this issue. But first let me state what this effort is not:
- It is not a name change.
- It is not rebranding.
- It is not cosmetic.
- It is not a whim.
- And it is not inconsequential.
Instead, it is a correction. It is the command of the Lord. Joseph Smith did not name the Church restored through him; neither did Mormon. It was the Savior Himself who said, 'For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints... And how be it my church save it be called in my name? for if a church be called Moses' church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church.' Thus the name of the church is not negotiable. When the Savior clearly states what the name of His Church should be and even precedes His declaration with, 'Thus shall my church be called,' He is serious. And if we allow nicknames to be used or adopt or even sponsor those nicknames ourselves, He is offended." Quote unquote.
A church founded by men is an imperfect church. That is why we are not Mormons. the same goes for LDS. LDS stands for Latter-day saints, but we are not the LDS church. We are not the latter-day saint church. we are the church of Jesus Christ, restored is the light of the last dispensation, in the fullness of times. Mormon was a man, even if he was a good man. The Book of Mormon has another name, a true name, an important name: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. Mormonism does not exist. The Gospel Of Jesus Christ does. the Mormon Church does not exist. The LDS church does not exist. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does. "Mormons" do not exist. Latter-day Saints do. We are Latter-day Saints in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, not "Mormons", from the "Mormon" church. Latter-day Saints. Not Mormons.
Havah.J.Alcorn (talk) 23:25, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- One place this has been discussed previously.....Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints#changes based on recent style request from LDS Church?. ChristensenMJ (talk) 23:48, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed. Everybody that wishes for this change please go to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints#changes based on recent style request from LDS Church? and vote (at the bottom) for the terminology to be updated, let's do it, thanks! Rogerdpack (talk) 18:00, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- While this argument is essentially correct and the of same reason I came to this talk page, I feel it important to add that "Mormon" is not just a nickname but a slight and a defamation intended to breed false information concerning this religious sect, that it was embraced only to alleviate the contentious and derogatory nature of that name such that it might open doors to the heart that would otherwise remain shut and barred, that the primary nature of it's use is to say that we are not Christians believing in some fellow called Mormon (perhaps an alias of Joseph Smith) instead of Jesus Christ, and that as such, even to call ourselves "Latter-Day Saints" depreciates the value of this correction: we are not "Latter-Day Saints", neither have we the right to ascend ourselves to that glorified status even if that be our goal, rather we are Christians, followers of Jesus Christ and his teachings as set forth before the beginning of this world, and we should be known as such by that same logic that causes us to insist that we are members of "The Church of Jesus Christ". Remember that getting away from "LDS" is part of that same argument because to think of ourselves as "Latter-Day Saints" or "The Latter-Day Saint Church" in it's many variations detracts from who we are and what we believe.
Terminology section [ edit ]
As I look through the revision history, it is clear that several zealous Latter-day Saints have been pushing hard to replace the term "Mormon" where possible. I am sensitive to these efforts as I believe we should call people what they prefer to be called. However, in my opinion, many of the changes made to the terminology section have become both confusing and historically inaccurate. Additionally, these edits have seriously corrupted the quality of the references section. For example, reference 14 includes links to several different works.
I propose the following edit to the entire Terminology section, attempting to balance the strong preference of Latter-day Saints in SLC with the many other but much less visible sects of Mormonism. In my edit, I am trying to 1) acknowledge that there are many branches which can be jointly called "Mormonism", 2) acknowledge that various sects have strong naming preferences and what the main ones are, 3) retain most of the same ideas as the original and preserve relevant links, and 4) provide a historically accurate yet very abbreviated history of the term in the first two sentences.
Proposed edit [ edit ]
The word Mormon was originally coined to describe any person who believes in the Book of Mormon as a volume of scripture. The term Mormonite and Mormon were originally descriptive terms used by outsiders to the faith and occasionally used by church leaders. The term Mormon later evolved into a derogatory term, likely during the Missouri War, although the term was later adopted by Joseph Smith.
Today, while the term Mormonism can act as a blanket term for all sects following the religious tradition started by Joseph Smith, many sects do not prefer the term "Mormon" as an acceptable label. For example, the largest sect, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, based in Salt Lake City, recently clarified in a style guide that it prefers the term Latter-day Saints among other acceptable terms. The term preferred by the Salt Lake based church has varied in the past, and at various points it has embraced the term Mormon and also stated that other sects within the shared faith tradition should not be called Mormon. The second largest sect, the Community of Christ, also rejects the term "Mormon" due to its association with the practice of polygamy among Brighamite sects. Other sects, including several fundamentalist branches of the Brighamite tradition, embrace the term Mormon.
Edit to the introduction [ edit ]
I made some very significant edits to the introduction, and since there seems to be absolutely no talk on this page, I submitted them without discussion. Here is a brief description of my edits, my editorial choices, and motivations.
The prior introduction was highly biased toward only a single sect of Mormonism, the LDS church, and discussion of Mormonism in this section did not distinguish by sect. The result was that the prior introduction was very confusing and inaccurate for many Mormon sects, especially the Community of Christ. I edited the introduction to 1) distinguish more clearly between major post-schism sects, and 2) acknowledge major cultural traditions within those sects.
I also reorganized the order of paragraphs to have a consistent flow. The prior introduction had several topics spread among all the paragraphs. I reorganized the paragraphs to reflect the following order of ideas: 1) introduce the terminology and major sects, 2) discuss the impact of polygamy on the different sects, 3) discuss the major cultural aspects of most mormons, distinguishing between LDS members and other sects as necessary, and 4) discuss the high-level beliefs common to all sects of Mormonism. In doing so, I added significantly more references to other sects, particularly those of the Community of Christ. I removed links discussing Mormonism at broad that unnecessarily favored the LDS church, such as a link intended to describe the general concept of apostles among Mormons but referred only to the apostles of the LDS church and not the apostles of other sects.
I also took care to use the terms 'Latter-day Saints' and 'Latter-day Saints Church' to refer to the church headquartered in Salt Lake City, as requested in their most recent style guide. I avoided using the term 'Mormon' to refer to any one group and only used it to describe the movement as a whole.
Temple ceremonies Nauvoo [ edit ]
Meanwhile, Smith introduced temple ceremonies meant initially to seal additional wives to select associates,
There is no conclusive evidence that supports this claim. The linked site just repeats the assumption without providing evidence. Evidence must be based on appropriate sources. Since that is not the case here, please change / delete the unsubstantiated assertion. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/yearofpolygamy/2016/09/10-things-polygamy-gave-mormonism/
In addition, the whole sentence is worded far too general. The temple ceremonies introduced in Nauvoo did not just comprise sealings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lujew12 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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- "From the Illinois State Register"(PDF) (2). The Pioneer. 13 November 1844. Retrieved 31 August 2019.
- "The Original Intention Behind the Term Mormon". Mormon Scholar. Retrieved 31 August 2019.
- "Style Guide – The Name of the Church". Retrieved August 18, 2018.
- On August 18, 2018, church president Russell M. Nelson asked followers and non-followers to characterize the denomination with the name "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" instead of "Mormons", "Mormonism" or the shorthand of "LDS"."Latter Day Saints church leader rejects 'Mormon' label". BBC News. BBC. Retrieved 19 August 2018.
- The LDS Church has taken the position that the term Mormon should only apply to the LDS Church and its members, and not other adherents who have adopted the term. (See: "Style Guide – The Name of the Church". LDS Newsroom. Retrieved November 11, 2011.) The church cites the AP Stylebook, which states, "The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other Latter Day Saints churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith's death." ("Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The", Associated Press, The Associated Press Stylebook and Briefing on Media Law, 2002, ISBN 0-7382-0740-3, p.48) Despite the LDS Church's position, the term Mormon is widely used by journalists and non-journalists to refer to adherents of Mormon fundamentalism.
- Shields, Steven L. (2014). "The Early Community of Christ Mission to "Redeem" the Church in Utah". Journal of Mormon History. 40: 158–170 – via JSTOR Journals.