Template talk:Further

Fix Template:See redirections [ edit ]

This request concerns not Template:Further, but rather pages which redirect here, or should.

Transclusions of Template:See seem to be breaking, see e.g. the top of Wikipedia:Citing sources#Inline_citations. This may be due to the double-redirection (Template:See redirects to Template:Further information, which in turn redirects here to Template:Further), or it may be due to the inclusion of Template: R from move on the intermediate Template:Further information page. Either way, the request is the same:

I have already corrected Template talk:See to redirect directly here to Template talk:Further, along with Template talk:Further information, which had somehow been circularly redirected to itself. -- FeRD_NYC (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done Redirect for Template:See changed. -- AlexTW 06:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 18 February 2018 [ edit ]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn Things won't break as long as the closer pays attention and fixes the double-redirects. But I do kind of get some of the other points. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Template:FurtherTemplate:More information – clearer title and text (further what?), (along with accompanying text change to "More information:") Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

There are really two things here, so taking them separately:
  • OPPOSE the text change from "Further information" to "More information". We have four distinct hatnotes that perform this basic function: {{Main}}, {{Details}}, {{Further}}, and {{See also}}. (With Template:Details slated to go away, I guess, folded into Template:Further.) They could all be described as "more information" links. Having distinct and non-generic text makes them each appropriate for linking to different types of additional information. And a distinctive word provides a better mnemonic for the template.
  • OPPOSE the rename to the longer {{Further information}} (or {{More information}}) form. Typing {{Further}} is a helpful and concise mnemonic, and one point of templates is to save keystrokes. That can be taken to too great an extreme (the truly staggering number of template-linking templates with names like {{tlxb}} and {{tltts3}}, for example), but "the template's name isn't the exact thing it substitutes in" is a feature, not a deficiency, as far as I'm concerned.
Now, as jmcgnh (talk · contribs) wrote at Template talk:Main, "Ordinarily, I would be indifferent as to which name was considered the primary," as long as I could still type {{Further}} — in fact, normally I might favor the longer name being the primary, and the shorter an alias. But these templates have been shuffled around so much that they're a rat's-nest of redirects, things already broke in the last shuffling (see the section literally right above this one), and things are bound to break even more with another unnecessary renaming. You can already type {{Further information}} or {{More information}}, if that's what floats your boat, and get the effect desired. Renaming the templates is just more rearranging of the Titanic's deck chairs. -- FeRD_NYC (talk) 13:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Should pages in draft be used in hatnotes [ edit ]

I'm sure I've seen that this is not permitted, but an experienced editor has been inserting {{See|Draft:xyz}}. Can someone either give me a reference to where it is disallowed, or else disabuse me of my error? Thanks, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

What is this?