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Re: MatthewTardiff [ edit ]

This may help you out with understanding them. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 16:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Also, something you might be interested in regarding MatthewTardiff, this SPI, the WrestlingInsider account was blocked for being a sock of his. If you see in the SPI, that he personally attacked me, so that's nothing new to him. Just wanted to give you a heads up of the type of editor you're dealing with, with him. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 21:43, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016 [ edit ]

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LM2000, strange that among all that went back and forth on this, only I get this warning. Str1977(talk) 20:53, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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Carl Jung or Carl Gustav Jung [ edit ]

Since you initiated, ten years ago, the proposal at Talk:Carl Jung/Archive 2#Requested move, the discussion currently active at Talk:Carl Jung#Requested move 14 November 2016 may be of interest. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

February 2017 [ edit ]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Royal Rumble (2017). Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Vjmlhds 18:46, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Dear User:Vjmlhds,
I think your comment here as well your reverting entirely uncalled for. I was not editing disruptively at all but restoring a version that actually conformed to the sources (see http://www.wwe.com/superstars/goldberg). I did so after contributing to the talk page. At worst, my edits are controversial. I have not in the past engaged in any edit warring on this so I can't see what was disruptive about my edits. I think it quite uncivil of you to immediately issue threats of the the more extreme sort, especially since you are actually party to the dispute, and then not even have the courtesy to sign your comment. Str1977 (talk) 20:20, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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The Gold Experience [ edit ]

Earlier this month you removed "Pussy Control", saying if "P Control" is its official title, that is what we should include. However, just earlier, you removed "P Control" and retained "Pussy Control". In the interim time, I provided a ref to the promo single of "319/Pussy Control" as proof that the title of "Pussy Control" was censored for the album release, and is known by two titles (but is the same song). The page has included both for quite a while, and maintaining them was a stable version. If you disagree, can you please take it to the talk page (per WP:BRD) instead of this delayed back-and-forth revert-type thing? Thanks. Perhaps a solution is noting elsewhere on the page that the title was censored. However, because the album does not have extensive prose, this is why it is noted next to the title. Ss112 09:25, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Please discuss on the talk page and stop removing it per WP:BRD. The first ref proving the title is "Pussy Control" would be meaningless otherwise. I think there may be a case for both sides of this (that the title of the song was first released with the full title; it is at least noteworthy enough to include); however, no consensus can be reached by continually reverting whether formally or informally. Ss112 09:40, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Twin Peaks (2017 TV series) edit [ edit ]

Hi, this edit of yours appears to have broken the Supernatural section's notes. —Bruce1eetalk 14:54, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017 [ edit ]

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Pierre [ edit ]

I think it was right before - they both rhyme with 'near'. AlexiusHoratius 16:16, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

The IPA had a diphthong which the respell (unsurprisingly) didn't indicate. "Near" is not the issue here. Str1977 (talk) 16:28, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
What would the correct respelling be? AlexiusHoratius 21:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know. Respelling is dumbing down anyway. But it should it no case be wrong. IPA is enough. Str1977 (talk) 21:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Well if the current IPA doesn't match the word 'peer' then the IPA is wrong. Would something like /piɹ/ work better? AlexiusHoratius 12:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
The IPA isn't wrong. Your suggestion doesn't exist among English phonemes. Respelling isn't needed anyway. Str1977 (talk) 14:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

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Monolatry [ edit ]

Thank you for initiating the move to monolatry. -Acjelen (talk) 19:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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Monarchy of Saxony
Provincial/State
Coat of arms of Wettin House Albert Line.png
FA3 of Saxony.png
Frederick Augustus III
Details
Style His Majesty
First monarch Hadugato
Last monarch Frederick Augustus III
Formation 531
Abolition 13 November 1918
Appointer Hereditary
Pretender(s) Disputed: Prince Rüdiger

or

Prince Alexander

This article lists dukes, electors, and kings ruling over different territories named Saxony from the beginning of the Saxon Duchy in the 9th century to the end of the Saxon Kingdom in 1918.

The electors of Saxony starting from Henry IV, Duke of Saxony and ending with Augustus II of Saxony have been Lutheran.

The electors and later kings of Saxony have been Catholic again since Augustus II of Saxony converted to Catholicism from Lutheranism (tracing back to Henry IV's conversion to Lutheranism) in order to in order to be elected King of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the descendants of Augustus II are still Catholic to this day.

Dukes of Saxony [ edit ]

The old Saxon coats of arms today lives on in the coats of arms of Lower Saxony and Westphalia.

The original Duchy of Saxony comprised lands of the Saxon people in the north-western part of present-day Germany, namely, the contemporary German state of Lower Saxony as well as Westphalia and Western Saxony-Anhalt, not corresponding to the modern German state of Saxony.

In the 10th century the Emperor Otto I created the County Palatine of Saxony in the Saale-Unstrut area of southern Saxony. The honour was initially held by a Count of Hessengau, then from the early 11th century by the Counts of Goseck, later by the Counts of Sommerschenburg, and still later by the Landgraves of Thuringia.

Early dukes [ edit ]

Hattonid Dynasty [ edit ]

Ottonian Dynasty [ edit ]

Dukes of Saxony
Ottonian Dynasty
Image Name Date Notes
Liudolf, Duke of Saxony.jpg Liudolf I 850 – 12 March 864 or 866
Bruno dux.jpg Bruno 12 March 864 or 866 – 2 February 880
Otto I, Duke of Saxony.jpg Otto I the Illustrious 2 February 880 – 30 November 912
Ptacnik.jpg Henry I the Fowler 30 November 912 – 2 July 936 Also German King 919–936
Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor.jpg Otto II the Great 2 July 936 – 961 Also German King 936–973, Emperor 962–973

Billung Dynasty [ edit ]

Dukes of Saxony
Billung Dynasty
Image Name Date Notes
Billung u Hildegard.jpg Hermann 961 – 27 March 973
Bernard I 27 March 973 – 9 February 1011
BernhardIISachsen (cropped).jpg Bernard II 9 February 1011 – 29 June 1059
Wartburg-Duke.Orthilius.von.Sachsen.JPG Ordulf 29 June 1059 – 28 March 1072
Magnus 28 March 1072 – 23 August 1106

Various dynasties [ edit ]

Dukes of Saxony
Supplinburg Dynasty
Image Name Date Notes
Lotar III.JPG Lothair I 1106 – 4 December 1137 Also German King 1125–1137, Emperor 1133–1137
Welf Dynasty
Image Name Date Notes
Henry the Proud.jpg Henry II the Proud 4 December 1137 – 20 October 1139 Also Duke of Bavaria as Henry X
Ascanian Dynasty
Image Name Date Notes
Albert I of Brandenburg.jpg Albert (I) the Bear 20 October 1139 – 1142 Also Margrave of Brandenburg
Welf Dynasty
Image Name Date Notes
Lev Jindrich.jpg Henry III the Lion 1142–1180 Also Duke of Bavaria as Henry XII

With the removal of the Welfs in 1180, the Duchy of Saxony was sharply reduced in territory. Westphalia fell to the Archbishop of Cologne, while the Duchy of Brunswick remained with the Welfs. The Ascanian Dukes had their base further east, near the Elbe, in what is sometimes called the younger Duchy of Saxony, resulting in the name Saxony moving towards the east. After the division, the counting of the dukes started anew. Though the first Ascanian duke is competingly counted as Bernard III (because of two predecessors of the same name before 1180) or as Bernard I, his successor, Albert I is already usually counted as the first, although before 1180 he had one predecessor of the same name, Albert the Bear.

The Younger Saxony: The Duchy and the Electorate [ edit ]

Coat of arms of Saxony used since the accession of the House of Ascania to the dukedom in 1180, comprising the Ascanian arms with an added bendwise crancelin indicating the Saxon ducal rank

The new dukes replaced the Saxon horse emblem (Coat of arms of Lower Saxony.svg) and introduced their Ascanian family colours and emblem (Adalbert I Ballenstedt.png) added by a bendwise crancelin, symbolising the Saxon ducal crown, as new coat-of-arms of Saxony (Armoiries Saxe.svg). The later rulers of the House of Wettin adopted the Ascanian coat-of-arms.

House of Ascania [ edit ]

Partitions of Saxony under Ascanian rule [ edit ]

Duchy of Saxony

(1180-1296)
Duchy of Saxe-Wittenberg

(1296-1356)
Duchy of Saxe-Lauenburg

(1296-1303)
Duchy of Saxe-Mölln

(1303-1315)
Duchy of Saxe-Bergdorf-Lauenburg

(1303-1315)
Duchy of Saxe-Ratzeburg

(1303-1315)
Duchy of Saxe-Bergdorf-Mölln

(1315-1356)
Duchy of Saxe-Ratzeburg-Lauenburg

(1315-1356)
Electorate of Saxe-Wittenberg

(1356-1422)
Duchy of Saxe-Lauenburg

(1401-1689)

The Ascanian Dynasty continued in Saxe-Lauenburg until 1689, but after the Lauenburgish line had finally lost the Saxon Electorate to the Wittenberg line in 1356 and failed to obtain the succession in the Electorate after 1422, recognition of the Dukes of Saxe-Lauenburg as Dukes of Saxony waned. To follow the remnant House of Ascania in Saxe-Lauenburg, follow this table. For the following Electors of Saxony, see below the House of Wettin.

Table of rulers [ edit ]

(Note: Both lines follow the numbering established in this table until 1296, when they were created. From 1296 on, each line follows independently the succession of Saxon dukes until 1296)

Ruler Born Reign Death Ruling part Consort Notes
Bernard III Bernhard von Sachsen.jpg c.1134 1180-1212 2 February 1212 Saxony Brigitte of Denmark

six children



Sophia of Thuringia

one child



Judith of Poland

c.1173

no children
Also Count of Ballenstedt and Prince of Anhalt. Numberings starting with Ascanian rule or continuing after prior dukes of the same name. Father of the following.
Albert I Albrecht-I-von-Sachsen.jpg c.1175 1212-1260 7 October 1260 Saxony Agnes of Austria

1222

five children



Agnes of Thuringia

1238

three children



Helene of Brunswick-Lüneburg

1247

five children
Father of the following two dukes
Albert II Albrecht II. von Sachsen.jpg 1250 1260-1296 25 August 1298 Saxony Agnes of Austria

1282

six children
Ruled jointly; Until 1282, the brothers John I and Albert II; From John I's abdication in 1282, Albert shared rule with his minor nephews, sons of John I: John II, Albert III and Eric I. In 1296 they divided the land. Albert II retained Saxe-Wittenberg, and became the head of the Elder Saxon Line; His nephews ruled together in Saxe-Lauenburg, becoming the founders of the Younger Saxon Line.
John I 1249 1260-1282 30 July 1285 Saxony Ingeborg Birgersdotter of Sweden

1270

eight children
John II 1275 1282-1296 22 April 1322 Saxony Elizabeth of Holstein-Rendsburg

1315

one child
Eric I POSSE.jpg 1280 1360 Saxony Elisabeth of Pomerania

1316 or 1318

four children
Albert III 1281 1308 Saxony Margaret of Brandenburg-Salzwedel

1302

two children
In 1296 Albert II and his nephews Albert III, Eric I, and John II terminated their joint rule and partitioned Saxony into the Lauenburg line, where Albert III, Eric I, and John II continued to rule jointly until 1303, and the Wittenberg line, where Albert II continued as sole ruler until 1298. Since the Duke of Saxony was considered one of the prince-electors electing a new Holy Roman Emperor, conflict arose between the lines of Lauenburg and Wittenberg over the issue of who should cast Saxony's vote. In 1314 both lines found themselves on different sides in a double election. Eventually, the Dukes of Saxe-Wittenberg succeeded in 1356 after the promulgation of the Golden Bull. To distinguish him from other rulers bearing the title Duke of Saxony, he was commonly called Elector of Saxony.
Albert II Albrecht II. von Sachsen.jpg 1250 1296-1298 25 August 1298 Saxe-Wittenberg Agnes of Austria

1282

six children
Became sole ruler of Saxe-Wittenberg.
John II 1275 1296-1303 22 April 1322 Saxe-Lauenburg Elizabeth of Holstein-Rendsburg

1315

one child
Ruled together until 1303, when they divided once more the territory between them.
Eric I POSSE.jpg 1280 1360 Saxe-Lauenburg Elisabeth of Pomerania

1316 or 1318

four children
Albert III 1281 1308 Saxe-Lauenburg Margaret of Brandenburg-Salzwedel

1302

two children
Rudolph I Rudolf-I-von-Sachsen.jpg 1284 1298-1356 12 March 1356 Saxe-Wittenberg Jutta of Brandenburg

1298

eight children



Kunigunde of Poland

28 August 1328

one child



Agnes of Lindow-Ruppin

1333

three children
In January 1356 the Golden Bull confirmed Rudolf I as the legitimate Saxon Prince-Elector, thus the rulers of Saxe-Wittenberg are conceived as Electors of Saxony.
John II 1275 1303-1315 22 April 1322 Saxe-Mölln Elizabeth of Holstein-Rendsburg

1315

one child
In 1315 realigned the territory.
Eric I POSSE.jpg 1280 1303-1315 1360 Saxe-Bergedorf Elisabeth of Pomerania

1316 or 1318

four children
In 1315 realigned the territory.
Albert III 1281 1303-1308 1308 Saxe-Ratzeburg Margaret of Brandenburg-Salzwedel

1302

two children
Left his lands to his widow.
Margaret of Brandenburg-Salzwedel 1270 1308-1315 1 May 1315 Saxe-Ratzeburg Przemysł II, King of Poland

1302

two children



Albert III

1302

two children
After her death, her brothers-in-law realigned the territory.
In 1315, after the death of Margaret of Brandenburg, the remaining brothers Eric and John redesigned the political division in Saxe-Lauenburg; Eric retained all of Margaret's part, but had to give part of his original domains to his brother. John ruled in Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln; Eric in Saxe-Ratzeburg-Lauenburg.
John II 1275 1315-1322 22 April 1322 Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln Elizabeth of Holstein-Rendsburg

1315

one child
Eric I POSSE.jpg 1280 1315-1338 1360 Saxe-Ratzeburg-Lauenburg Elisabeth of Pomerania

1316 or 1318

four children
Abdicated in 1338 to his own son. Died in 1361.
Elizabeth of Holstein-Rendsburg (regent) Seal Elisabeth (Holstein-Rendsburg) 01.jpg c.1300 1322-1330 before 1340 Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln John II

1315

one child



Eric, Junior King of Denmark

1330

no children
Regent on behalf of her son, Albert.
Albert IV 1315 1330-1343 1343 Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln Beata of Schwerin

1334

three child



Sophia of Mecklenburg-Werle-Güstrow

1341

no children
Eric II 1318/20 1338-1368 1368 Saxe-Ratzeburg-Lauenburg Agnes of Holstein-Plön

between 1342 and 1349

four children
John III c.1330 1343-1356 1356 Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln Unmarried Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his brother, Albert.
Albert V c.1330 1343-1370 1370 Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln Catherine of Mecklenburg-Werle-Güstrow

25 January 1366

no children
Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his brother, Eric.
The Golden Bull of 1356 confirmed the right to participate in the election of a Holy Roman Emperor to the Duke of Saxony in the Saxe-Wittenberg line.
Rudolph I Rudolf-I-von-Sachsen.jpg 1284 10 January 1356 - 12 March 1356 12 March 1356 Saxe-Wittenberg and Electorate of Saxony Jutta of Brandenburg

1298

eight children



Kunigunde of Poland

28 August 1328

one child



Agnes of Lindow-Ruppin

1333

three children
In January 1356 was recognized as the First Prince-Elector of Saxony.
Rudolph II the Blind 1307 12 March 1356 - 6 December 1370 12 March 1356 Saxe-Wittenberg and Electorate of Saxony Elisabeth of Hesse

Before 8 May 1336

one child
Left no descendants.
Eric III 1354 1368-1401 21 June 1411/12 Saxe-Ratzeburg-Lauenburg Sophia of Brunswick-Lüneburg

8 April 1373

ten children
In 1401 reunited Saxe-Lauenburg.
Wenceslaus I WenzelISachsenWittenberg.jpg 1337 6 December 1370 - 15 May 1388 15 May 1388 Saxe-Wittenberg and Electorate of Saxony Cecilia da Carrara

23 January 1376

six children
Brother of his predecessor.
Eric IV EricusDuxRatzeburg.JPG c.1330 1370-1401 1401 Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln Unmarried Determined to enter to clergy, has to resign to succeed his brothers. He also left no descendants, which allowed the Saxe-Ratzeburg-Lauenburg line to reunite Saxe-Lauenburg.
Rudolph III Rudolf III Kurfürst von Sachsen (AT KHM GG4790).jpg 1378 15 May 1388 - 11 June 1419 11 June 1419 Saxe-Wittenberg and Electorate of Saxony Anna of Meissen

1387/89

three children



Barbara of Legnica

March 1396

two children
Left no male descendants. he was succeeded by his brother, Albert.
In 1401 Saxe-Ratzeburg-Lauenburg inherited Saxe-Bergedorf-Mölln from the Ascanian Elder Lauenburg line there extinct upon Eric IV's death. The reunited duchy continued under the old name of Saxe-Lauenburg.
Eric III 1354 1401-1411/12 21 June 1411/12 Saxe-Lauenburg Sophia of Brunswick-Lüneburg

8 April 1373

ten children
In 1401 reunited Saxe-Lauenburg.
Eric V after 1373 1411/12-1436 1436 Saxe-Lauenburg Elisabeth of Holstein-Rendsburg

1404

no children



Elisabeth of Weinsberg

before 1422

one child
Ruled jointly. The numberings here lead to some confusion, as not all genealogists of the House of Ascania count John IV in the list of Dukes of Saxe-Lauenburg, numbering John V (John IV's nephew) as John IV.
John IV after 1373 1411/12-1414 1414 Saxe-Lauenburg Unmarried
Albert IV Albrecht III., Elector, son of Wenzeslaus, died 1422 (AT KHM GG4791).jpg 1375/80 11 June 1419 - (before 12 November) 1422 before 12 November 1422 Saxe-Wittenberg and Electorate of Saxony Euphemia of Oleśnica

14 January 1420

no children
Left no male descendants, which led the Ascanian Saxe-Wittenberg line to extinction.
The Ascanian Dynasty continued in Saxe-Lauenburg until 1689, but after the Lauenburgish line had finally lost the Saxon Electorate to the Wittenberg line in 1356 and failed to obtain the succession in the Electorate after 1422, recognition of the Dukes of Saxe-Lauenburg as Dukes of Saxony waned. To follow the remnant House of Ascania in Saxe-Lauenburg, follow this table. For the following Electors of Saxony, see below the House of Wettin.
Bernard IV 1385/93 1436-1463 16 July 1463 Saxe-Lauenburg Adelaide of Pomerania-Stolp

1428

two children
John V 18 July 1439 1463-1507 15 August 1507 Saxe-Lauenburg Dorothea of Brandenburg

12 February 1464

twelve children
Sometimes numbered John IV. He is somestime confused with his uncle, John IV (Eric V and Bernard IV's brother) and a son of his own (John IV, Bishop of Hildesheim).
Magnus I MagnusISaLauenb.JPG 1 January 1470 1507-1543 1 August 1543 Saxe-Lauenburg Catherine of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

20 November 1509

Wolfenbüttel

six children
Francis I 1510 1543-1571 19 March 1581 Saxe-Lauenburg Sibylle of Saxony

8 February 1540

Dresden

nine children
In 1571 – highly indebted – Francis I resigned in favour of his eldest son Magnus II, who had promised to redeem the pawned ducal demesnes with funds he gained as Swedish military commander and by his marriage to a Swedish princess.
Magnus II 1543 1571-1573 14 March 1603 Saxe-Lauenburg Sophia of Sweden

4 July 1568

Stockholm

one child
Eldest son of Francis I. He didn't pay the debts he promised to pay, and led to war with his father and brothers. Two years later they deposed Magnus II and Francis I re-ascended. Magnus' violent and judicial attempts to regain the duchy failed. In 1588 he was imprisoned for the remainder of his life.
Francis I 1510 1573-1581 19 March 1581 Saxe-Lauenburg Sibylle of Saxony

8 February 1540

Dresden

nine children
Regained the title in 1573, after pushing back Magnus II.
Francis II Franz der 2. Herzog von Sachsen-Lauenburg.JPG 10 August 1547 1581-1619 2 July 1619 Saxe-Lauenburg Margaret of Pomerania-Wolgast

26 December 1574

Wolgast

four children



Maria of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

10 November 1582

Wolfenbüttel

fourteen children
Brother of Magnus II. Vice-regent from 1578, administrator from 1581. Joint rule with his brother Maurice between 1581 and 1612. Father of Augustus and Julius Henry.
Maurice 1551 1581-1612 2 November 1612 Saxe-Lauenburg Katharina von Spörck

1581

(annulled 1582)

no children
Ruled jointly with his brother Francis II.
Augustus 17 February 1577 1619-1656 18 January 1656 Saxe-Lauenburg Elisabeth Sofie of Holstein-Gottorp

5 March 1621

Husum

six children



Catherine of Oldenburg

4 June 1633

no children
Left no male descendants; he was succeeded by his half-brother Julius Henry.
Julius Henry JuliusHendrikSaksenLauenburg.jpg 9 April 1586 1656-1665 20 November 1665 Saxe-Lauenburg Anna of East Frisia

17 March 1617

Grabow

no children



Elisabeth Sophia of Brandenburg

4 June 1633

Toužim

one child



Anna Magdalena of Lobkowicz

18 August 1632

Vienna

six children
Francis Erdmann 25 February 1629 1665-1666 30 July 1666 Saxe-Lauenburg Sibylle Hedwig of Saxe-Lauenburg

1654

no children
Left no descendants; He was succeeded by his brother Julius Francis.
Julius Francis JuliusFransSaksenLauenburg.jpg 16 September 1641 1666-1689 30 September 1689 Saxe-Lauenburg Hedwig of the Palatinate-Sulzbach

9 April 1668

Sulzbach

two children

The male line of the Saxe-Lauenburgish Ascanians was extinguished in 1689, after Julius Francis' death. In spite of having left two daughters to inherit the rights to the duchy, the House of Welf usurped the duchy, preventing the succession of the legitimate heiress, Anna Maria Franziska of Saxe-Lauenburg, and resucceeded with its Brunswick and Lunenburg-Celle line. In fact, George William, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg was a great-great-grandson of Magnus I through his great-grandmother Dorothea of Saxe-Lauenburg. His descendants became Monarchs of Great Britain frm 1714 on. In 1814, after being deposed by various occupations in the Napoleonic Wars, George III's son, Regent George agreed to pass Saxe-Lauenburg to his Danish cousin in a general territorial realignment at the Congress of Vienna. This cousin was Frederick VI of Denmark, who changed he official colours of Saxe-Lauenburg to red and gold. The duchy changed hands again when, in 1865, Christian IX of Denmark was deposed in Second Schleswig War and resigned by Treaty of Vienna; Saxe-Lauenburg passed to William I of Prussia, to whom the Estates of Saxe-Lauenburg offered the ducal throne. The coat-of-arms of Saxe-Lauenburg was changed to the colours red and silver, with a border in the Prussian colours of black and white. Both duke and estates decided to merge Saxe-Lauenburg into Prussia, as district Duchy of Lauenburg, with effect from 1 July 1876.

House of Wettin [ edit ]

The Ascanian line of Saxe-Wittenberg became extinct with the death of Elector Albert III in 1422, whereafter Emperor Sigismund bestowed the country and electoral dignity upon Margrave Frederick IV of Meissen, who had been a loyal supporter in the Hussite Wars. Late Albert's Ascanian relative Duke Eric V of Saxe-Lauenburg protested in vain. Frederick, now one of the seven Prince-electors, was a member of the House of Wettin, which since 1089 had ruled over the adjacent Margraviate of Meissen up the Elbe river, established under Emperor Otto I in 965, and since 1242 also over the Landgraviate of Thuringia. Thus, in 1423, Saxe-Wittenberg, the Margraviate of Meissen and Thuringia were united under one ruler, and the unified territory . gradually received the name of (Upper) Saxony (or simply Saxony).

Partitions of Saxony under Wettin rule [ edit ]

Electorate of Saxony

(1422-1464)
Albertine territories Ernestine territories
Albertine Duchy of Saxony

(1464-1547)
ErnestineElectorate of Saxony

(1464-1547)
Duchy of Saxe-Coburg

(1542-1552)
 
AlbertineElectorate of Saxony

(1547-1806)
Ernestine Duchy of Saxony

(1547-1554)
 
Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach

(1554-1566)
Saxe-Gotha

(1554-1565)
Saxe-Weimar

(1554-1566)
Ernestine Duchy of Saxony

(1566-1572)
Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach

(1572-1596)
Saxe-Weimar

(1572-1741)
Saxe-Coburg

(1596-1633)
Saxe-Eisenach

(1596-1633)
       Saxe-Altenburg

(1603-1672)
Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach

(1633-1638)
      
Saxe-Eisenach

(1640-1644)
       ' Saxe-Gotha

(1640-1672)
                   Saxe-Zeitz

(1656-1718)
Saxe-Merseburg

(1656-1738)
Saxe-Weissenfels

(1656-1746)
      
Saxe-Eisenach

(1662-1741)
Saxe-Marksuhl

(1662-1671)
  Saxe-Jena

(1662-1690)
  Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

(1672-1826)
Saxe-Merseburg-Lauchstädt

(1684-1690)
  Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt

(1680-1739)
Saxe-Weissenfels-Barby

(1680-1739)
       Saxe-Hildburghausen

(1675-1826)
Saxe-Eisenberg

(1675-1707)
Saxe-Meiningen

(1675-1918)
Saxe-Saalfeld

(1675-1699)
Saxe-Coburg

(1675-1699)
Saxe-Römhild

(1675-1710)
       Saxe-Zeitz-Pegau-Neustadt

(1699-1713)
Saxe-Merseburg-Zörbig

(1691-1715)
       Saxe-Merseburg-Spremberg

(1694-1731)
  Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld

(1699-1826)
Saxe-Weissenfels-Dahme

(1711-1715)
      
              
      
       Saxe-Weissenfels

(-1746)
Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach

(1741-1815)
      
Kingdom of Saxony Grand-Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach

(1815-1918)
Saxe-Altenburg

(1826-1918)
Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

(1826-1918)

Table of rulers [ edit ]

(Note: Here the numbering of the princes is the same for all principalities, as all were titled Dukes of Saxony, despite of the different parts of land and its particular numbering of the rulers. The princes are numbered following Ascanian Saxe-Wittenberg line (their predecessors) and by the year of their succession.)

Ruler Born Reign Death Ruling part Consort Notes
Frederick I the Warlike

(Friedrich der Streitbare)
Friedrich I. von Sachsen, 1370-1428 (AT KHM GG4792).jpg 11 April 1370 6 January 1423 - 4 January 1428 4 January 1428 Duchy of Saxony and Electorate of Saxony Catherine of Brunswick-Lüneburg

7 February 1402

seven children
After the Wittenberg line of the Ascanians became extinct, the Electorate was given to Frederick, Margrave of Meissen and Landgrave of Thuringia, of the House of Wettin.
Frederick II the Gentle

(Friedrich der Sanftmütige)
Friedrich II. der Sanftmütige, Kurfürst von Sachsen (AT KHM GG4793).jpg 22 April 1412 4 January 1428 - 7 September 1464 7 September 1464 Duchy of Saxony and Electorate of Saxony Margaret of Austria

3 June 1431

Leipzig

eight children
Son of Frederick I. Ruled jointly in Saxony with his brothers, but was the sole holder of the Electorate. Father of Ernest and Albert, founders of the Ernestine and Albertine Saxon lines.
Ernest I

(Ernst)
Ernst Kurfürst von Sachsen, 1441-1486 (AT KHM GG4795).jpg 24 March 1441 7 September 1464 - 26 August 1486 26 August 1486 Ernestine

Electorate of Saxony
Elisabeth of Bavaria-Munich

25 November 1460

Leipzig

seven children
Son of Frederick II. He was the founder and progenitor of the Ernestine line of Saxon princes.
Albert V the Bold Herzog-Albrecht-der-Beherzt.jpg 27 January 1443 1464–1500 12 September 1500 Albertine

Duchy of Saxony
Sidonie of Poděbrady

11 November 1464

Cheb

nine children
Son of Frederick II. He was the founder and progenitor of the Albertine line of Saxon princes.
Frederick III the Wise

(Friedrich der Weise)
Lucas Cranach d. Ä. 097.jpg 17 January 1463 26 August 1486 - 5 May 1525 5 May 1525 Ernestine

Electorate of Saxony
Unmarried Son of Ernest. Protector of Martin Luther, but a lifelong Catholic. Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his brothers.
George I the Bearded Lucas Cranach d.Ä. - Bildnis des Herzogs Georg von Sachsen (Gemäldegalerie, Berlin).jpg 27 August 1471 1500-1539 17 April 1539 Albertine

Duchy of Saxony
Barbara of Poland

21 November 1496

Dresden

ten children
Proponent of Catholic Reform and a staunch opponent of Martin Luther. Left no surviving male descendants. He was succeeded by his brother Henry.
John III the Steadfast

(Johann der Beständige)
Lucas Cranach d.Ä. - Kurfürst Johann der Beständige von Sachsen.jpg 30 June 1468 5 May 1525 - 16 August 1532 16 August 1532 Ernestine

Electorate of Saxony
Sophie of Mecklenburg

1 March 1500

Torgau

one child



Margaret of Anhalt-Köthen

13 November 1513

Torgau

four children
Co-regent of his brother of Frederick III (26 August 1486 - 5 May 1525), with his own residence at Weimar since 1513. Established Lutheranism in his territories in 1527.
John Frederick I the Magnanimous

(Johann Friedrich I der Großmütige)
Lucas Cranach d. Ä. 044.jpg 30 June 1503 16 August 1532 - 19 May 1547 3 March 1554 Ernestine

Electorate of Saxony
Sibylle of Cleves

9 February 1527

Torgau

four children
Lost his Electoral dignity and territory to his cousin Maurice after being defeated the Emperor in the Schmalkaldic War. He was left with some territories as the Duchy of Saxony. After his death the Duchy of Saxony was divided between his three sons.
19 May 1547 - 1554 Albertine

Duchy of Saxony
John Ernest I

(Johann Ernst)
Johann-Ernst-von-Sachsen-Coburg.tif 10 May 1521 16 August 1532 - 1542 8 February 1553 Ernestine

Electorate of Saxony
Catherine of Brunswick-Grubenhagen

12 February 1542

Torgau

no children
Ruled together with his brother John Frederick until 1542, when John Frederick wanted to rule alone and gave John Ernest the lands of Coburg to rule.
Henry IV the Pious Lucas Cranach d. Ä. 042.jpg 16 March 1473 1539-1541 18 August 1541 Albertine

Duchy of Saxony
Catherine of Mecklenburg

69 January 1541

Marburg

nine children
Succeeded his brother of George I. He established Lutheranism in Albertine Saxony.
Maurice I

(Moritz)
Moritz Sachsen.JPG 21 March 1521 1541-1547 9 July 1553 Albertine

Duchy of Saxony
Agnes of Hesse

9 January 1541

Marburg

two children
Second cousin of John Frederick, grandson of Albert. Though a Lutheran, allied with Emperor Charles V against the Schmalkaldic League. Gained the Electorate for the Albertine line in 1547 after Charles V's victory at the Battle of Mühlberg. Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his brother Augustus.
4 June 1547 - 9 July 1553 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
John Ernest I Johann-Ernst-von-Sachsen-Coburg.tif 10 May 1521 1542-1553 8 February 1553 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg
Catherine of Brunswick-Grubenhagen

12 February 1542

Torgau

no children
Created for him by his brother, Elector John Frederick I. After his death without descendants, the land reverted for the latter, now possessing the Duchy of Saxony.
Following their displacement by the Albertines, the Ernestine branch of the Wettins continued to rule in southern Thuringia as "Dukes of Saxony", but their lands eventually split up into many different tiny Ernestine duchies.
Augustus I

(August)
Lucas Cranach d. J. 004.jpg 31 July 1526 9 July 1553 - 11 February 1586 11 February 1586 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Anna of Denmark

7 October 1548

Torgau

fifteen children



Agnes Hedwig of Anhalt

3 January 1586

Dessau

no children
Brother of Maurice. Recognized as Elector by the ousted John Frederick I in 1554.
John Frederick II Weimar Herderkirche - Cranach-Altar Rechter Flügel 3.jpg 8 January 1529 1554-1565 19 May 1595 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg -Eisenach
Agnes of Hesse

26 May 1555

Weimar

no children



Elisabeth of the Palatinate-Simmern-Sponheim

12 June 1558

Weimar

four children
Received Saxe-Weimar. In 1565 united his domains with those of his younger brother in Gotha.
John William I Jean-Guillaume-de-Saxe-Weimar.jpg 11 March 1530 1554-1566 2 March 1573 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Dorothea Susanne of the Palatinate-Simmern

15 June 1560

Heidelberg

five children
Received Saxe-Weimar. In 1565 united his domains with those of his younger brother in Gotha.
John Frederick III the Younger Weimar Herderkirche - Cranach-Altar Rechter Flügel 4.jpg 16 January 1538 1554-1565 21 October 1565 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha
Unmarried Received Saxe-Gotha. However he left its administration to his elder brothers. After his death, his domains were annexed by his elder brother.
John Frederick II Weimar Herderkirche - Cranach-Altar Rechter Flügel 3.jpg 8 January 1529 1565-1566 19 May 1595 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach and Saxe-Gotha
Agnes of Hesse

26 May 1555

Weimar

no children



Elisabeth of the Palatinate-Simmern-Sponheim

12 June 1558

Weimar

four children
Reunited his domains with those of his younger brother in Gotha. In 1566 abdicated in favor of his brother John William, who reunited the duchy.
John William I Jean-Guillaume-de-Saxe-Weimar.jpg 11 March 1530 1566-1572 2 March 1573 Ernestine

Duchy of Saxony
Dorothea Susanne of the Palatinate-Simmern

15 June 1560

Heidelberg

five children
Reunited Saxony in 1566, after the abdication of his older brother. In 1572, the Division of Erfurt divided Saxony once again, between John William and his nephews, sons of John Frederick II.
John William I Jean-Guillaume-de-Saxe-Weimar.jpg 11 March 1530 1572-1573 2 March 1573 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Dorothea Susanne of the Palatinate-Simmern

15 June 1560

Heidelberg

five children
Received Saxe-Weimar again.
John Casimir Johan Casimir von Sachsen-Coburg.jpg 12 June 1564 1572-1596 16 July 1633 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg -Eisenach
Anna of Saxony

16 January 1586

Dresden

no children



Margaret of Brunswick-Lüneburg

16 September 1599

Coburg

no children
Received Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach together. In 1596 divided the land.
John Ernest II Johann Ernst (Sachsen-Eisenach).jpg 9 July 1566 23 October 1638 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg -Eisenach
Elisabeth of Mansfeld-Hinterort

23 November 1591

Wiener Neustadt

one child



Christine of Hesse-Kassel

14 May 1598

Rotenburg an der Fulda

no children
Augustus I, Elector of Saxony

(regent)
Lucas Cranach d. J. 004.jpg 31 July 1526 1573-1586 11 February 1586 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Anna of Denmark

7 October 1548

Torgau

fifteen children



Agnes Hedwig of Anhalt

3 January 1586

Dessau

no children
Named regent for Frederick William.
Frederick William I Frederick William I, Duke of Saxe-Weimar.jpg 25 April 1562 1586-1602 7 July 1602 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Sophie of Württemberg

5 May 1583

Weimar

six children



Anna Maria of the Palatinate-Neuburg

9 September 1591

Neuburg an der Donau

six children
After his death, his brother took the land and in the next year divided it with his nephews (sons of Frederick William).
Christian I

(Christian I)
Christian I of Saxony.jpg 21 March 1521 11 February 1586 - 25 September 1591 25 September 1591 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Sophie of Brandenburg

25 April 1582

Dresden

seven children
Sophie of Brandenburg(regent) SophieBrandSachsen.jpg 6 June 1568 25 September 1591 - c.1601 7 December 1622 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Christian I

25 April 1582

Dresden

seven children
Regent on behalf of her son Christian II.
Christian II

(Christian II)
Kurfürst Christian II. von Sachsen (Porträt).jpg 23 September 1583 c.1601 - 23 June 1611 23 June 1611 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Hedwig of Denmark

12 September 1602

Dresden

no children
John Casimir Johan Casimir von Sachsen-Coburg.jpg 12 June 1564 1596-1633 16 July 1633 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg
Anna of Saxony

16 January 1586

Dresden

no children



Margaret of Brunswick-Lüneburg

16 September 1599

Coburg

no children
Received Saxe-Coburg. Died without descendants and his brother reunited the inherited duchy.
John Ernest II Johann Ernst (Sachsen-Eisenach).jpg 9 July 1566 1596-1633 23 October 1638 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenach
Elisabeth of Mansfeld-Hinterort

23 November 1591

Wiener Neustadt

one child



Christine of Hesse-Kassel

14 May 1598

Rotenburg an der Fulda

no children
Received Saxe-Eisenach. His brother died without descendants and he reunited the inherited duchy.
John IV Johann of Saxe-Weimar-Jena.jpg 22 May 1570 1602-1605 18 July 1605 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Dorothea Maria of Anhalt

7 January 1593

Altenburg

twelve children
Divided Saxe-Weimar with his nephews in 1603, retaining a smaller Saxe-Weimar (sometimes called Saxe-Weimar-Jena).
John Philip Johann PhilippSaAlt.jpg 25 January 1597 1603-1639 1 April 1639 Ernestine

Saxe (-Weimar) -Altenburg
Elisabeth of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

25 October 1618

Altenburg

one child
Received and ruled jointly the newly-created Saxe-Altenburg, after the partition of 1603. None of them had male descendants.
Frederick IV Arolsen Klebeband 01 171 2.jpg 12 February 1599 1603-1625 24 October 1625 Ernestine

Saxe (-Weimar) -Altenburg
Unmarried
John William II 13 April 1600 1603-1632 2 December 1632 Ernestine

Saxe(-Weimar)-Altenburg
Unmarried
John Ernest III Johann Ernst I. von Sachsen-Weimar cropped.jpg 21 February 1594 1605-1626 6 December 1626 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Unmarried Ruled together the domains of their father. In 1640 divided the land. William kept Saxe-Weimar. In 1644 William reunited his own domains with Albert's.
William I the Great Arolsen Klebeband 01 171 3.jpg 11 April 1598 1626-1644 17 May 1662 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Eleonore Dorothea of Anhalt-Dessau

23 May 1625

Weimar

nine children
Albert VI Albrecht von Sachsen-Eisenach.jpg 27 July 1599 1605-1640 20 December 1644 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Dorothea of Saxe-Altenburg

24 June 1633

Weimar

no children
Ernest II the Pious Ernest I, duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg.jpg 25 December 1601 26 March 1675 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Elisabeth Sophie of Saxe-Altenburg

24 October 1636

Altenburg

eighteen children
John George I

(Johann Georg I)
Johann Georg I Saxony.jpg 5 March 1585 23 June 1611 - 8 October 1656 8 October 1656 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Sibylle Elisabeth of Württemberg

16 September 1604

Dresden

one child



Magdalene Sibylle of Prussia

19 July 1607

Torgau

ten children
Brother of Christian II, ruled during the Thirty Years' War, during which he was at times allied with the Emperor and at times with the King of Sweden.
John Ernest II Johann Ernst (Sachsen-Eisenach).jpg 9 July 1566 1633-1638 23 October 1638 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg -Eisenach
Elisabeth of Mansfeld-Hinterort

23 November 1591

Wiener Neustadt

one child



Christine of Hesse-Kassel

14 May 1598

Rotenburg an der Fulda

no children
Reunited Saxe-Eisenach. However died without descendants and his duchy was divided between Saxe-Weimar and Saxe-Altenburg.
Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach divided between its neighbours Saxe-Altenburg and Saxe-Weimar
Frederick William II Frederick Wilhelm II Saxe-Altenburg.jpg 12 February 1602 1639-1669 22 April 1669 Ernestine

Saxe (-Weimar) -Altenburg
Sophie Elisabeth of Brandenburg

18 September 1638

Altenburg

no children



Magdalene Sibylle of Saxony

11 October 1652

Dresden

three children
Brother of John Philip, Frederick and John William. Succeeded his childless brothers. Received part of Saxe-Weimar-Eiesnach in 1638.
Albert VI Albrecht von Sachsen-Eisenach.jpg 27 July 1599 1640-1644 20 December 1644 Ernestine

Saxe (-Weimar) -Eisenach
Dorothea of Saxe-Altenburg

24 June 1633

Weimar

no children
Received Saxe-Eisenach from his father. After his death his brother William united Saxe-Eisenach with Saxe-Weimar.
Ernest II the Pious Ernest I, duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg.jpg 25 December 1601 1640-1672 26 March 1675 Ernestine

Saxe (-Weimar) -Gotha
Elisabeth Sophie of Saxe-Altenburg

24 October 1636

Altenburg

eighteen children
Received Saxe-Gotha from his father.
William I the Great Arolsen Klebeband 01 171 3.jpg 11 April 1598 1644-1662 17 May 1662 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar and Saxe-Eisenach
Eleonore Dorothea of Anhalt-Dessau

23 May 1625

Weimar

nine children
Reunited Saxe-Weimar and Saxe-Eisenach under his rule. After his death his domains were divided by his four sons.
John George II

(Johann Georg II)
Johan Georg II Johann Fink, vor 1675.jpg 31 May 1613 8 October 1656 - 22 August 1680 22 August 1680 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Magdalene Sibylle of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

13 November 1638

Dresden

three children
Augustus II August, Herzog von Sachsen-Weißenfels a.jpg 13 August 1614 1656-1680 4 June 1680 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels
Anna Maria of Mecklenburg-Schwerin

23 November 1647

Schwerin

twelve children



Johanna Walpurgis of Leiningen-Westerburg

29 January 1672

Halle

three children
Son of Elector John George I. Inherited Saxe-Weissenfels. After his death, Weissenfels was divided.
Christian III Christian I. von Sachsen-Merseburg 1.jpg 27 October 1615 1656-1691 18 October 1691 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg
Christiana of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg

19 November 1650

Dresden

eleven children
Son of Elector John George I. Inherited Saxe-Merseburg.
Maurice II Moritz, Herzog von Sachsen-Zeitz 1.jpg 28 March 1619 1662-1681 4 December 1681 Albertine

Saxe-Zeitz
Sophie Hedwig of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg

19 November 1650

Dresden

two children



Dorothea Maria of Saxe-Weimar

3 July 1656

Weimar

ten children



Sophie Elisabeth of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Wiesenburg

14 June 1676

Wiesenburg

no children
Son of Elector John George I. Inherited Saxe-Merseburg.
John Ernest IV Arolsen Klebeband 01 177 1.jpg 11 September 1627 1662-1683 15 May 1683 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Christine Elisabeth of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg

14 August 1656

Weimar

five children
Son of William I. Received the remaining Saxe-Weimar.
Bernard IV Bernhard II, Duke of Saxe-Jena.jpg 14 October 1638 1662-1678 3 May 1678 Ernestine

Saxe-Jena
Marie Charlotte de la Trémoille

10 June 1662

Paris

five children
Son of William I. Received Saxe-Jena.
Adolf William Adolph Wilhelm Sachen-Eisenach C. Richter@Weimar Schlossmuseum.JPG 15 May 1632 1662-1668 21 November 1668 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenach
Marie Elisabeth of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

18 January 1663

Wolfenbüttel

five children
Son of William I. Received Saxe-Eisenach.
John George III John George I, Duke of Saxe-Eisenach.jpg 11 April 1598 1662-1671 17 May 1662 Ernestine

Saxe-Marksuhl
Johannetta of Sayn-Wittgenstein

29 May 1661

Wallau

nine children
Son of William I. Received Saxe-Marksuhl. Inherited Eisenach from his minor nephew in 1671, merging Marksuhl in Eisenach.
Saxe-Marksuhl was annexed by Saxe-Eisenach
John George III, Duke of Saxe-Marksuhl (regent) John George I, Duke of Saxe-Eisenach.jpg 12 July 1634 1668-1671 19 September 1686 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenach
Johannetta of Sayn-Wittgenstein

29 May 1661

Wallau

nine children
Regent for his nephew.
William August 30 November 1668 23 February 1671 Saxe-Eisenach Unmarried Died as a minor. His uncle, as regent, inherited his domain.
John George II, Elector of Saxony (regent) Johan Georg II Johann Fink, vor 1675.jpg 31 May 1613 1669-1672 22 August 1680 Ernestine

Saxe (-Weimar) -Altenburg
Magdalene Sibylle of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

13 November 1638

Dresden

three children
Regent in mae of Frederick William III. The minor duke never reached adulthood.
Frederick William III Friedrich Wilhelm III, duke of Saxe-Altenburg (1657-1672), by German School of 1662.jpg 12 July 1657 14 April 1672 Ernestine

Saxe (-Weimar) -Altenburg
Unmarried Son of Frederick William II. Died as a minor. His lands were divided between Saxe-Gotha and Saxe-Weimar.
Saxe-Altenburg merged in Saxe-Gotha to form Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
John George III John George I, Duke of Saxe-Eisenach.jpg 12 July 1634 1671-1686 19 September 1686 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenach
Johannetta of Sayn-Wittgenstein

29 May 1661

Wallau

nine children
Inherited Eisenach from his minor nephew in 1671, merging Marksuhl in Eisenach.
Ernest II the Pious Ernest I, duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg.jpg 25 December 1601 1672-1675 26 March 1675 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Elisabeth Sophie of Saxe-Altenburg

24 October 1636

Altenburg

eighteen children
Reunited his domains and his wife's (as heiress of Saxe-Altenburg).
Frederick V Frederick I of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg.jpg 15 July 1646 1675-1691 2 August 1691 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Magdalena Sibylle of Saxe-Weissenfels

14 November 1669

Halle

eight children



Christine of Baden-Durlach

14 August 1681

Ansbach

no children
Son of Ernest II. Received Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg.
Albert VII Albert V, Duke of Saxe-Coburg.jpg 24 May 1648 1675-1699 6 August 1699 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg
Marie Elisabeth of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

18 July 1676

Gotha

one child



Susanne Elisabeth Kempinsky

24 May 1688

Coburg

morganatic

no children
Son of Ernest II. Received Saxe-Coburg. Left no male descendants. His lands were annexed by Saafeld.
Saxe-Coburg merged in Saxe-Saalfeld to form Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Bernard V BernhardIsamei.JPG 10 September 1649 1675-1706 27 April 1706 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Marie Hedwig of Hesse-Darmstadt

20 November 1671

Gotha

seven children



Elisabeth Eleonore of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

25 January 1681

Schöningen

five children
Son of Ernest II. Received Saxe-Meiningen.
Henry V Heinrich von Sachsen-Weißenfels-Barby b.jpg 19 November 1650 1675-1710 13 May 1710 Ernestine

Saxe-Römhild
Marie Elisabeth of Hesse-Darmstadt

1 March 1676

Darmstadt

no children
Son of Ernest II. Received Saxe-Römhild. Left no descendants and his lands were anexed to Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.
Saxe-Römhild was annexed by Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Christian IV 1653 Christian.jpg 6 January 1653 1675-1707 28 April 1707 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenberg
Christiane of Saxe-Merseburg

13 February 1677

Merseburg

one child



Sophie Marie of Hesse-Darmstadt

9 February 1681

Darmstadt

no children
Son of Ernest II. Received Saxe-Eisenberg. Left no male descendants and his lands were anexed to Saxe-Hildburghausen.
Saxe-Eisenberg was annexed by Saxe-Hildburghausen
Ernest III Arolsen Klebeband 01 175 2.jpg 12 June 1655 1675-1715 17 October 1715 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Sophie of Waldeck

30 November 1680

Arolsen

eighteen children
Son of Ernest II. Received Saxe-Hildburghausen.
John Ernest V Johann Ernst of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.jpg 22 August 1658 1675-1699 17 February 1729 Ernestine

Saxe-Saalfeld
Sophie Hedwig of Saxe-Merseburg

18 February 1680

Merseburg

five children



Charlotte Johanna of Waldeck-Wildungen

2 December 1690

Maastricht

eight children
Son of Ernest II. Received Saxe-Saafeld. In 1699 reunified it with Saxe-Coburg, forming Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.
John Ernest IV, Duke of Saxe-Weimar (regent) Arolsen Klebeband 01 177 1.jpg 11 September 1627 1678-1683 15 May 1683 Ernestine

Saxe-Jena
Christine Elisabeth of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg

14 August 1656

Weimar

five children
Regent for his nephew.
John George III, Duke of Saxe-Eisenach (regent) John George I, Duke of Saxe-Eisenach.jpg 12 July 1634 1683-1686 19 September 1686 Ernestine

Saxe-Jena
Johannetta of Sayn-Wittgenstein

29 May 1661

Wallau

nine children
Regent for his nephew.
William Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Weimar (regent) 1662 Wilhelm Ernst.jpg 19 October 1662 1686-1690 26 August 1728 Ernestine

Saxe-Jena
Charlotte Marie of Saxe-Jena

2 November 1683

Eisenach

no children
Regent for his cousin.
John William III 28 March 1675 1678-1690 4 November 1690 Ernestine

Saxe-Jena
Unmarried Son of Bernard IV. Died as a minor.
Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach divided between its neighbours Saxe-Eisenach and Saxe-Weimar
John George IV

(Johann Georg III)
1647 Johann Georg.JPG 20 June 1647 22 August 1680 - 12 September 1691 12 September 1691 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Anna Sophie of Denmark

9 October 1666

Copenhagen

two children
John Adolph I Johann Adolf I. von Sachsen-Weißenfels (a).jpg 2 November 1649 1680-1697 24 May 1697 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt
Johanna Magdalena of Saxe-Altenburg

25 October 1671

Altenburg

eleven children



Christiane Wilhelmine of Bünau

3 February 1692

Querfurt

(morganatic)

eleven children
Inherited the remaining Saxe-Weissenfels.
Henry VI Heinrich von Sachsen-Römhild.jpg 29 September 1657 1680-1728 16 February 1728 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels-Barby
Elisabeth Albertine of Anhalt-Dessau

30 March 1686

Dessau

seven children
Inherited Saxe-Weissenfels-Barby.
Maurice William I Maurice Wilhelm Saxe-Zeitz.jpg 12 March 1664 1681-1718 15 November 1718 Albertine

Saxe-Zeitz
Marie Amalie of Brandenburg

25 June 1689

Potsdam

five children
Left no descendants. After his death Saxe-Zeitz merged in the Electorate.
Saxe-Zeitz merged in the Electorate of Saxony
William Ernest I 1662 Wilhelm Ernst.jpg 19 October 1662 1683-1728 26 August 1728 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Charlotte Marie of Saxe-Jena

2 November 1683

Eisenach

no children
Ruled jointly. John Ernest was just a nominal ruler; William Ernest had full government.
John Ernest VI Johann Ernst III.jpg 22 June 1664 1683-1707 10 May 1707 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Sophie Auguste of Anhalt-Zerbst

11 October 1685

Zerbst

five children



Charlotte of Hesse-Homburg

4 November 1694

Kassel

four children
Philip Philipp, Duke of Saxe-Merseburg-Lauchstädt.jpg 26 October 1657 1684-1690 1 July 1690 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg-Lauchstädt
Eleonore Sophie of Saxe-Weimar

9 July 1684

Weimar

two children



Louise Elisabeth of Württemberg-Oels

17 August 1688

Bernstadt

one child
Son of Christian. Received from his father the town of Lauchstädt, and ruled it in his father's lifetime. After his death his land returned to is father.
John George V Zweidritteltaler-1690-Eisenach-av.jpg 24 July 1665 1686-1698 10 November 1698 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenach
Sophie Charlotte of Württemberg

20 September 1688

Kirchheim unter Teck

no children
Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his brother.
John George VI

(Johann Georg IV)
Jan Jerzy IV 4.jpg 18 October 1668 12 September 1691 - 27 April 1694 27 April 1694 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Eleonore Erdmuthe of Saxe-Eisenach

17 April 1692

Leipzig

no children
Christian V 19 November 1653 1691-1694 20 October 1694 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg
Erdmuthe Dorothea of Saxe-Zeitz

14 October 1679

Moritzburg

seven children
Augustus III 15 February 1655 1691-1715 27 March 1715 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg-Zörbig
Hedwig of Mecklenburg-Güstrow

1 December 1686

Güstrow

eight children
Son of Christian. Received from his brother the town of Zörbig. Left no male descendants. His lands returned to Saxe-Merseburg.
Saxe-Merseburg-Zörbig merged in Saxe-Merseburg
Bernard V, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen (regent) BernhardIsamei.JPG 10 September 1649 1691-1693 27 April 1706 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Marie Hedwig of Hesse-Darmstadt

20 November 1671

Gotha

seven children



Elisabeth Eleonore of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

25 January 1681

Schöningen

five children
Regents in name of their nephew, Frederick VI.
Henry V, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen (regent) Heinrich von Sachsen-Weißenfels-Barby b.jpg 19 November 1650 13 May 1710 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Marie Elisabeth of Hesse-Darmstadt

1 March 1676

Darmstadt

no children
Frederick VI Christian Schilbach - Porträt des Herzogs Friedrich II. von Sachsen-Gotha-Altenburg.jpg 28 July 1676 1693-1732 23 March 1732 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Magdalena Augusta of Anhalt-Zerbst

7 June 1696

Gotha

nineteen children
Frederick Augustus I the Strong

(Friedrich August I)
Aŭgust Mocny. Аўгуст Моцны (H. Rodakowski, XIX).jpg 12 May 1670 27 April 1694 - 1 February 1733 1 February 1733 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Christiane Eberhardine of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

20 January 1693

Bayreuth

one child
Brother of John George IV. Converted to Catholicism 1697 in order to compete for the crown of Poland. Took the Polish crown 1697, opposed by Stanisław Leszczyński, in 1704, forced to renounce the throne 1706, returned as monarch 1709 until his death.
Henry VII Heinrich von Sachsen-Merseburg 1.jpg 2 September 1661 1694-1731 28 July 1738 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg-Spremberg
Elisabeth of Mecklenburg-Güstrow

29 March 1692

Güstrow

three children
Son of Christian. Received from his brother the town of Spremberg. In 1731 succeeded in Saxe-Merseburg, reuniting its original lands with those he unexpectedly inherited.
Saxe-Merseburg-Spremberg merged in Saxe-Merseburg
Frederick Augustus I, Elector of Saxony (regent) Aŭgust Mocny. Аўгуст Моцны (H. Rodakowski, XIX).jpg 12 May 1670 1694-1712 1 February 1733 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg
Christiane Eberhardine of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

20 January 1693

Bayreuth

one child
Regents on behalf of Christian Maurice, and then of Maurice Wilhelm.
Erdmuthe Dorothea of Saxe-Zeitz Erdmuthe Dorothea von Sachsen-Zeitz.jpg 13 November 1661 29 April 1720 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg
Christian II

14 October 1679

Moritzburg

seven children
Christian VI Maurice 7 November 1680 1694 14 November 1694 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg
Erdmuthe Dorothea of Saxe-Zeitz

14 October 1679

Moritzburg

seven children
Maurice William II Moritz Wilhelm, Herzog von Sachsen-Merseburg 2.JPG 5 February 1688 1712-1731 21 April 1731 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg
Henriette Charlotte of Nassau-Idstein

4 November 1711

Istein

one child
Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his uncle, Henry.
John George VII Johann Georg Saxe-Weissenfels.jpg 13 July 1677 1697-1712 16 March 1712 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt
Fredericka Elisabeth of Saxe-Eisenach

7 January 1698

Jena

seven children
Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his brother Christian.
John William IV Johann Wilhelm von Sachsen-Eisenach.jpg 17 October 1666 1698-1729 14 January 1729 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenach
Amalie of Nassau-Dietz

28 November 1690

Oranjewoud

two children



Christine Juliane of Baden-Durlach

27 February 1697

Wolfenbüttel

seven children



Magdalene Sibylle of Saxe-Weissenfels

28 July 1708

Weissenfels

three children



Marie Christine Felizitas of Leiningen-Dagsburg-Falkenburg-Heidesheim

29 May 1727

Hanau

no children
John Ernest V Johann Ernst of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.jpg 22 August 1658 1699-1729 17 February 1729 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Sophie Hedwig of Saxe-Merseburg

18 February 1680

Merseburg

five children



Charlotte Johanna of Waldeck-Wildungen

2 December 1690

Maastricht

eight children
In 1699 reunified Saxe-Saafeld with Saxe-Coburg, forming Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.
Frederick Henry Friedrich Heinrich (Sachsen-Zeitz).jpg 21 July 1668 1699-1713 18 December 1713 Albertine

Saxe-Zeitz-Pegau-Neustadt
Sophie Angelika of Württemberg-Oels

23 April 1699

Oleśnica

no children



Anna Fredericka Philippine of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Wiesenburg

27 February 1702

Moritzburg

two children
Son of Maurice. Received from his brother the towns of Pegau and Neustadt. Left no male descendants. His lands returned to Saxe-Zeitz.
Saxe-Zeitz-Pegau-Neustadt merged in Saxe-Zeitz
Ernest Louis I ErnstludwigIsamei.JPG 7 October 1672 1706-1724 24 November 1724 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Dorothea Marie of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

19 September 1704

Gotha

five children



Elisabeth Sophie of Brandenburg

3 June 1714

Coburg

no children
Frederick VII Frederick, Duke of Saxe-Weissenfels-Dahme.jpg 20 November 1673 1711-1715 16 April 1715 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels-Dahme
Emilie Agnes Reuss of Schleiz

13 February 1711

Dahme

no children
Son of Augustus. His brother John Adolph gave him in 1711 Saxe-Weissenfels-Dahme. After his death Dahme was reabsorbed by Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt.
Saxe-Weissenfels-Dahme merged in Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt
Christian VII Christian von Sachsen-Weißenfels portrait.jpg 23 February 1682 1712-1736 28 June 1736 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt
Louise Christine of Stolberg-Stolberg-Ortenberg

12 May 1712

Stolberg

no children
Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his brother John Adolf.
Ernest Frederick I ErnstFriedrich1hibu.jpg 21 August 1681 1715-1724 9 March 1724 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Sophia Albertine of Erbach-Erbach

4 February 1704

Erbach im Odenwald

fourteen children
Sophia Albertine of Erbach-Erbach (regent) Sophie Albertine of Erbach-Erbach duchess of Saxe-Hildburghausen.JPG 30 July 1683 1724-1728 4 September 1742 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Ernest Frederick I

4 February 1704

Erbach im Odenwald

fourteen children
Regent on behalf of her son.
Ernest Frederick II ErnstFriedrich2hibu.jpg 17 December 1707 1728-1745 13 August 1745 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Caroline of Erbach-Fürstenau

19 June 1726

Fürstenau

four children
Ernest Louis II ErnstludwigIIsamei.JPG 8 August 1709 1724-1729 24 February 1729 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Unmarried Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his brother.
George Albert Georg Albrecht (Sachsen-Weißenfels-Barby).jpg 19 April 1695 1728-1739 12 June 1739 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels-Barby
Auguste Louise of Württemberg-Oels

18 February 1721

Forst

no children
Left no descendants, and his land merged in Saxe-Weissenfels.
Saxe-Weissenfels-Barby merged in Saxe-Weissenfels
Ernest Augustus I Ernst August of Saxe-Weimar.jpg 19 April 1688 1728-1741 19 January 1748 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar
Eleonore Wilhelmine of Anhalt-Köthen

2 November 1683

Nienburg

eight children



Sophie Charlotte of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

7 April 1734

Bayreuth

four children
Son of John Ernest VI. Reunited under his rule the duchies of Saxe-Weimar and Eisenach.
William Henry William Heinrich, duke of Saxe-Eisenach.jpg 10 November 1691 1729-1741 26 July 1741 Ernestine

Saxe-Eisenach
Albertine Juliane of Nassau-Idstein

15 February 1713

Idstein

no children



Anna Sophie Charlotte of Brandenburg-Schwedt

3 June 1723

Berlin

no children
Left no descendants: Saxe-Eisenach merged with Saxe-Weimar.
Saxe-Eisenach merged in Saxe-Weimar to form Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Christian Ernest Christianernscoburgsaalfeld.jpg 18 August 1683 1729-1745 4 September 1745 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Christiane Fredericka of Koss

18 August 1724

Naitschau

(morganatic)

no children
Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his brother.
Charles Frederick I Karlfriedrichsamei.JPG 18 July 1712 1729-1743 28 March 1743 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Unmarried Brother of Ernest Louis II. Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his uncle.
Henry VII Heinrich von Sachsen-Merseburg 1.jpg 2 September 1661 1731-1738 28 July 1738 Albertine

Saxe-Merseburg
Elisabeth of Mecklenburg-Güstrow

29 March 1692

Güstrow

three children
In 1731 succeeded in Saxe-Merseburg, reuniting its original lands with those he unexpectedly inherited. Left no descendants and Saxe-Merseburg merged in the Electorate of Saxony.
Saxe-Merseburg merged in the Electorate of Saxony
Frederick VIII FriedrichIIISaGoAlt.JPG 14 April 1699 1732-1772 10 March 1772 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Luise Dorothea of Saxe-Meiningen

17 September 1729

Gotha

eight children
Frederick Augustus II the Fat

(Friedrich August II)
August III the Saxon.PNG 17 October 1696 1 February 1733 - 5 October 1763 5 October 1763 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Maria Josepha of Austria

20 August 1719

Dresden

sixteen children
Son of Frederick Augustus I. Converted to Catholicism 1712. King of Poland 1734–1763.
John Adolph II Johann Adolf II Saxe-Weissenfels.jpg 4 September 1685 1736-1746 16 May 1746 Albertine

Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt
Johannette Antoinette Juliane of Saxe-Eisenach

9 May 1721

Eisenach

one child



Fredericka of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

27 November 1734

Altenburg

five children
Left no male descendants. After his death the Duchy was reannexed by the Electorate of Saxony.
Saxe-Weissenfels-Querfurt merged in the Electorate of Saxony
Ernest Augustus I Ernst August of Saxe-Weimar.jpg 19 April 1688 1741-1748 19 January 1748 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Eleonore Wilhelmine of Anhalt-Köthen

2 November 1683

Nienburg

eight children



Sophie Charlotte of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

7 April 1734

Bayreuth

four children
Reunited under his rule the duchies of Saxe-Weimar and Eisenach.
Frederick William IV Friedrichwilhelmsamei.JPG 16 February 1679 1743-1746 10 March 1746 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Unmarried Brother of Ernest Louis I. Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his half-brother.
Caroline of Erbach-Fürstenau (regent) Caroline of Erbach-Fürstenau duchess of Saxe-Hildburghausen.JPG 29 September 1700 1745-1748 7 May 1758 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Ernest Frederick II

19 June 1726

Fürstenau

four children
Regent on behalf of her son.
Ernest Frederick III Ernest Frederick III of Saxe-Hildburghausen.JPG 10 June 1727 1748-1780 23 September 1780 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Louise of Denmark

1 October 1749

Copenhagen

one child



Christiane Sophie Charlotte of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

20 January 1757

Copenhagen

one child



Ernestine of Saxe-Weimar

1 July 1758

Bayreuth

three children
Francis Josias Francis Josias, duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.jpg 25 September 1697 1745-1764 16 September 1764 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Anna Sophie of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt

2 January 1723

Rudolstadtbr>eight children
Brother of Christian Ernest.
Anthony Ulrich Antonulrichsamei.JPG 22 October 1687 1746-1763 27 January 1763 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Philippine Elisabeth Caesar

January 1711

morganatic

ten children



Charlotte Amalie of Hesse-Philippsthal

26 September 1750

Bad Homburg vor der Höhe

eight children
Francis Josias, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (regent) Francis Josias, duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.jpg 25 September 1697 1748-1755 16 September 1764 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Anna Sophie of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt

2 January 1723

Rudolstadtbr>eight children
Regents in name of Ernest Augstus I's son, Ernest Augustus II.
Frederick VIII, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg (regent) FriedrichIIISaGoAlt.JPG 14 April 1699 10 March 1772 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Luise Dorothea of Saxe-Meiningen

17 September 1729

Gotha

eight children
Ernest Augustus II Ernst August II. (Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach)@Schloss Tiefurt.JPG 2 June 1737 1755-1758 28 May 1758 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Anna Amalia of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

2 November 1683

Brunswick

two children
Anna Amalia of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (regent) Weimar Anna Amalia Bibliothek@Anna Amalie von Sachsen-Weimar (1).JPG 24 October 1739 1758-1775 10 April 1807 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Ernest Augustus II

2 November 1683

Brunswick

two children
Charles Augustus Carl August Sachsen-Weimar G.M.Kraus@ Goethe Nationalmuseum 01.jpg 3 September 1757 1775-1828 14 June 1828 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Louise of Hesse-Darmstadt

3 October 1775

Karlsruhe

seven children
In 1815 his rank of Duke was elevated to Grand Duke; from 1815 Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach becomes a Grand Duchy.
Frederick Christian

(Friedrich Christian)
Friedrich-Christian.jpg 5 September 1722 5 October 1763 - 17 December 1763 17 December 1763 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Maria Antonia of Bavaria

13 June 1747

Munich

(by proxy)

20 June 1747

Dresden

(in person)

nine children
Son of Frederick Augustus II, raised Catholic.
Charlotte Amalie of Hesse-Philippsthal (regent) Charlotte Amalie of Hesse-Philippsthal.JPG 11 August 1730 1763-1779 7 September 1801 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Anthony Ulrich

26 September 1750

Bad Homburg vor der Höhe

eight children
Charles William Carlsamei.JPG 19 November 1754 1779-1782 21 January 1782 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Louise of Stolberg-Gedern

5 June 1780

Gedern

no children
Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his brother.
Maria Antonia of Bavaria (regent) Maria Antonia Walpurgis von Bayern, Mengs, 1752.jpg 18 July 1724 17 December 1763 - c.1768 23 April 1780 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Frederick Christian

13 June 1747

Munich

(by proxy)

20 June 1747

Dresden

(in person)

nine children
Regent on behalf of her son and heir, Frederick Augustus.
Frederick Augustus III the Just

(Friedrich August III)
Fryderyk August I.jpg 23 December 1750 c.1768 - 20 December 1806 5 May 1827 Albertine

Electorate of Saxony
Amalie of Zweibrücken-Birkenfeld

17 January 1769

Mannheim

(by proxy)

29 January 1769

Dresden

(in person)

four children
Son of Frederick Christian. His Electorate ceased with the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, and he became King of Saxony.
In 1806 The Elector of Saxony became King of an independent Kingdom of Saxony. For the Kings that followed the electors, see below the Kingdom of Saxony. To continue the list of the multiple duchies that were contemporaries of this kingdom, follow this table.
Ernest Frederick IV Ernesto Federico de Wettin Saalfeld.jpg 8 March 1724 1764-1800 8 September 1800 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Sophie Antoinette of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

23 April 1749

Wolfenbüttelbr>seven children
Ernest IV Ernst-II 1775.jpg 30 January 1745 1772-1804 20 April 1804 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Charlotte of Saxe-Meiningen

21 March 1769

Meiningen

four children
Prince Joseph of Saxe-Hildburghausen (regent) Prinz-von-Sachsen-Hildburghausen.jpg 5 October 1702 1780-1787 4 January 1787 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Maria Anna Victoria of Savoy

17 April 1738

Paris

(annulled 1757)

no children
Son of Ernest III. Regent on behalf of Frederick VIII.
Frederick IX FriedrichHibuAltenburg.jpg 29 April 1763 1787-1826 29 September 1834 Ernestine

Saxe-Hildburghausen
Charlotte Georgine of Mecklenburg-Strelitz

3 September 1785

Hildburghausen

twelve children
Inherited Altenburg from Frederick X. The duchy changed its name to Saxe-Altenburg.
George II GeorgIsamei.JPG 4 February 1761 1782-1803 24 December 1803 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Louise Eleonore of Hohenlohe-Langenburg

27 November 1782

Langenburg

four children
Francis FranzFriedrich AntonSaCoSa.jpg 15 July 1750 1800-1806 9 December 1806 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Sophie of Saxe-Hildburghausen

6 March 1776

Hildburghausen

no children



Augusta Reuss of Ebersdorf

13 June 1777

Ebersdorf

ten children
Louise Eleonore of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (regent) LouiseEleonoreSaMei.JPG 11 August 1763 1803-1821 30 April 1837 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
George I

27 November 1782

Langenburg

four children
Regent on behalf of her son.
Bernard VI Bernhardiihosenbandorden.JPG 17 December 1800 1821-1882 3 December 1882 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Marie Frederica of Hesse-Kassel

23 March 1825

Kassel

two children
Augustus IV Ludwig Doell - Porträt des Herzogs August von Sachsen-Gotha-Altenburg.jpg 23 November 1772 1804-1822 17 May 1822 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Louise Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Schwerin

21 October 1797

Ludwigslust

one child



Karoline Amalie of Hesse-Kassel

24 April 1802

Kassel

no children
Left no male descendants. The land was inherited by his brother Frederick
Ernest V Ernst I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha - Dawe 1818-19.jpg 2 January 1784 1806-1844 29 January 1844 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (1800-1826)



Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1826-1844)
Louise of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg

3 July 1817

Gotha

two children



Marie of Württemberg

23 December 1832

Coburg

no children
Inherited Gotha from Frederick IX, but had to cede Saafeld to Saxe-Meiningen. The duchy changed its name to Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Frederick X Friedrich IV von Sachsen-Gotha, by Carl Christian Vogel von Vogelstein.jpg 28 November 1774 1822-1825 11 February 1825 Ernestine

Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Unmarried Brother of Augustus. Left no male descendants. The land was divided between Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld and Saxe-Hildburghausen.
Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg divided between its neighbours Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld and Saxe-Hildburghausen
Frederick IX FriedrichHibuAltenburg.jpg 29 April 1763 1826-1834 29 September 1834 Ernestine

Saxe (-Hildburghausen)-Altenburg
Charlotte Georgine of Mecklenburg-Strelitz

3 September 1785

Hildburghausen

twelve children
Inherited Altenburg from Frederick X. The duchy of Saxe-Hildburghausen changed its name to Saxe-Altenburg.
Charles Frederick II Karl Friedrich of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach.jpg 2 February 1783 1828-1853 8 July 1853 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Maria Pavlovna of Russia

3 August 1804

St. Petersburg

four children
Joseph Herzog Joseph von Sachsen-Altenburg.jpg 27 August 1789 1834-1848 25 November 1868 Ernestine

Saxe (-Hildburghausen)-Altenburg
Amelia of Württemberg

24 April 1817

Kirchheim unter Teck

six children
He implemented several buildings in Altenburg, but his government was considered conservative and resistant to reform; for this, he was forced to abdicate during the civil revolution of 1848. Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his brother George.
Ernest VI Ernest II, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.jpg 21 June 1818 1844-1893 22 August 1893 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Alexandrine of Baden

3 May 1842

Karlsruhe

no children
Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his nephews.
George III GeorgPrinceofSaxe-Altenburgportrait.jpg 24 July 1796 1848-1853 3 August 1853 Ernestine

Saxe (-Hildburghausen)-Altenburg
Marie Louise of Mecklenburg-Schwerin

7 October 1825

Ludwigslust

three children
Brother of Joseph.
Charles Alexander 1818 Carl Alexander.JPG 24 June 1818 1853-1901 5 January 1901 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Sophie of the Netherlands

8 October 1842

The Hague

four children
Ernest VII DukeErnstIsaxealtenburg.jpg 16 February 1826 1853-1908 7 February 1908 Ernestine

Saxe (-Hildburghausen)-Altenburg
Agnes of Anhalt-Dessau

28 April 1853

Ludwigslust

two children
Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his nephew.
George IV Herzog Georg II von-Sachsen-Meiningen 02.jpg 2 April 1826 1882-1914 25 June 1914 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Charlotte of Prussia

18 May 1850

Berlin

four children



Feodora of Hohenlohe-Langenburg

23 October 1858

Langenburg

three children



Ellen Franz

18 March 1873

Liebenstein

(morganatic)

no children
Alfred Alfred-sachsen-coburg-gotha.jpg 6 August 1844 1893-1900 30 July 1900 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Maria Alexandrovna of Russia

23 January 1874

St Petersburg

six children
Son of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and Queen Victoria.
Charles Edward Carl Eduard Sachsen Coburg und Gotha.jpg 19 July 1884 1900-1918 6 March 1954 Ernestine

Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Victoria Adelaide of Schleswig-Holstein

11 October 1905

Schleswig

five children
Son of Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany; Nephew of Alfred. Monarchy abolished in 1918.
William Ernest II GuillemErnestdeSaxònia-Weimar-Eisenach.jpg 10 June 1876 1901-1918 24 April 1923 Ernestine

Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Caroline Reuss of Greiz

30 April 1903

Bückeburg

no children



Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen

14 January 1910

Meiningen

four children
Grandson of Charles Alexander, as son of Charles Augustus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach. Monarchy abolished in 1918.
Ernest VIII Ernst II. von Sachsen-Altenburg 1915.jpg 31 August 1871 1908-1918 22 March 1955 Ernestine

Saxe (-Hildburghausen)-Altenburg
Adelaide of Schaumburg-Lippe

17 February 1898

Bückeburg

(annulled 1920)

four children



Maria Triebel

15 July 1934

Trockenborn-Wolfersdorf

(morganatic)

no children
Grandson of George III, as son of Prince Moritz of Saxe-Altenburg. Monarchy abolished in 1918.
Bernard VII Bernhard III (Saxe-Meiningen).jpg 1 April 1851 1914-1918 16 January 1928 Ernestine

Saxe-Meiningen
Charlotte of Prussia

18 February 1878

Berlin

two children
Monarchy abolished in 1918.

Kingdom of Saxony [ edit ]

The Holy Roman Empire came to an end in 1806. The Elector of Saxony, allied to Napoleon I, anticipated its dissolution by becoming the ruler of an independent Kingdom of Saxony in 1806.

Ruler Born Reign Death Ruling part Consort Notes
Frederick Augustus I the Just

(Friedrich August I)
Fryderyk August I.jpg 23 December 1750 20 December 1806 - 5 May 1827 5 May 1827 Kingdom of Saxony Amalie of Zweibrücken-Birkenfeld

17 January 1769

Mannheim

(by proxy)

29 January 1769

Dresden

(in person)

four children
In 1806 became King of the newly-independent Kingdom of Saxony. Also Duke of Warsaw 1807–1813. Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his brother. (The numbering resets in this point).
Anthony the Kind

(Anton der Gütige)
Anton-sachsen.jpg 27 December 1755 5 May 1827 - 6 June 1836 6 June 1836 Kingdom of Saxony Maria Carolina of Savoy

29 September 1781

Stupinigi

(by proxy)

24 October 1781

Dresden

(in person)

four children



Maria Theresa of Austria

8 September 1787

Florence

(by proxy)

18 October 1787

Dresden

(in person)

four children
Left no male descendants. He was succeeded by his nephew.
Frederick Augustus II

(Friedrich August II)
Friedrich August II of Saxony.jpg 18 May 1797 6 June 1836 - 9 August 1854 9 August 1854 Kingdom of Saxony Maria Carolina of Austria

26 September 1819

Vienna

(by proxy)

7 October 1819

Dresden

(by person)

no children



Maria Anna of Bavaria

24 April 1833

Dresden

no children
Son of Prince Maximilian of Saxony. Left no descendants. He was succeeded by his brother.
John

(Johann I)
Louis Ferdinand von Rayski - König Johann von Sachsen, 1870.jpg 12 December 1801 9 August 1854 - 29 October 1873 29 October 1873 Kingdom of Saxony Amalie Auguste of Bavaria

10 November 1822

Munich

(by proxy)

21 November 1822

Dresden

(in person)

nine children
Became a subordinate ruler in the German Empire after the Unification of Germany in 1871.
Albert the Good

(Albrecht I)
Albert of Saxony by Nicola Perscheid c1900cr.jpg 23 April 1828 29 October 1873 - 19 June 1902 19 June 1902 Kingdom of Saxony Carola of Sweden

18 June 1853

Dresden

no children
George

(Georg)
Georg von Sachsen 1895.jpg 8 August 1832 19 June 1902 - 15 October 1904 15 October 1904 Kingdom of Saxony Maria Anna of Portugal

11 May 1859

Lisbon

eight children
Frederick Augustus III

(Friedrich August III)
Friedrich August III von Sachsen.jpg 25 May 1865 15 October 1904 - 13 November 1918 18 February 1932 Kingdom of Saxony Louise of Austria

21 November 1891

Vienna

(annulled by royal decree in 1903, after her escape from court)

seven children
The last King of Saxony. Abdicated voluntarily in the German Revolution of 1918–19.[1]

Ernestine Dukes of Saxony [ edit ]

Following their displacement by the Albertines, the Ernestine branch of the Wettins continued to rule in southern Thuringia as "Dukes of Saxony", but their lands eventually split up into many different tiny "Ernestine duchies". Of these, Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Saxe-Meiningen, and Saxe-Altenburg lasted until 1918. This article does not list the subsequent Ernestine dukes.

Heads of the House of Wettin since 1918 [ edit ]

The legal line of succession of the house of Wettin has continued to the present, although the house no longer plays any political role. For later rulers, see List of Ministers-President of Saxony.

See also [ edit ]

References [ edit ]

External links [ edit ]



Androcles [ edit ]

Your 'point' [1] seemed to be that a variation on the spelling of the name Androcles, which appears in other versions of his story that are treated in the article, should not appear in the lead. Mine was that Manual of Style guidance reads "When this title is a name, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. These may include alternative spellings, longer or shorter forms, historical names, and significant names in other languages."

I find your arrogant attitude inappropriate in a senior editor. Sweetpool50 (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

My main point is that wordings like "is the name given by some sources to..." has no part in Wikipedia article as the article is not about the name but about the character. My secondary point is that articles should not introduce variant spellings by "or" as it gives the impression that the article might be about this or that. I will reword my edit to include the variant spelling.
I think it is your attitude that's arrogant as you never pointed out what your problem was. Str1977 (talk) 19:18, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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An edit of yours on Jacinda Ardern [ edit ]

I noticed you changed an edit on this page to claim she is supportive of legalising cannabis. This is not what is claimed by the sources provided. One of the sources explicitly claims "Ms Ardern didn't say whether she favoured legalisation, but did say the current system wasn't working well".< ref >Jacinda Ardern: What we can expect under New Zealand's new PM. ABC News. Published 21 October 2017. Retrieved 19 August 2018.< /ref > Sources do claim she is opposed to criminalising people for personal use of cannabis, but this is not the same as supporting legalisation. None of the sources state whether she has publicly set out a clear personal position on the matter of legalisation. Please keep to what is explicitly stated by reliable sources when making edits. WP:SYNTHESIS. Helper201 (talk) 02:39, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't care enough to pursue this further but maybe you could enlighten me what the difference between "opposed to criminalising people who use cannabis" and "supportive of legalising cannabis" actually is. and while it's true that the article says "Ms Ardern didn't say whether she favoured legalisation", this is not the same as saying that she didn't favour it, just that she didn't say. The only alternative would that either that article or Mrs Ardern herself was confused in these statements.
Finally, IMO it is a slight case of POV to speak of "criminalising" when the legal status quo is that it actually is a crime. Unfortunately, such a wording is not alone in that article. Str1977 (talk) 09:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Being in favour of not criminalising people who use cannabis is essentially being in favour of decriminalisation. That is to say someone who chose to use cannabis would not be criminally convicted or face criminal charges. This is the case in some European countries where certain amounts are decriminalised. However, this does not equate to legalisation. Legalisation is a state where cannabis can be legally sold, taxed, and regulated, which is not the case under decriminalisation. The two are separate positions. Although legalisation does encompass the aspects of decriminalisation, the same is not the case vise versa. It is true the article didn't state whether she is in favour or against legalisation, which is why we shouldn't assume either way. As far as we know from the sources provided she has not set out a clear position for or against legalisation and is still unsure on the matter. Helper201 (talk) 16:32, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't agree. If something is "decriminalised" it is also "legalized". The example of "certain amounts" is a partial legalisation if actually part of legislation and laws. Not, if it is merely a matter of jurisprudence, but Mrs Ardern clearly talked about laws. I agree that she has not set out a clear position but rather made contradictory statements. Str1977 (talk) 19:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
These are widely recognised as separate terms and it does not help to conflate them, nor they should not be used interchangeably. Note that decriminalisation is defined as 'the lessening of criminal penalties in relation to certain acts, perhaps retroactively, though perhaps regulated permits or fines might still apply'. For example in Portugal where all drugs are decriminalised civil penalties and mandatory treatment can still be administered for drug related offenses, if all drugs were legalised this would not be the case. She has made her position clear around not wanting to criminalise cannabis users so it is perfectly fine to state that, whereas on legalisation she has not. When you keep these terms separate, as they are recognised as being, then she has not been contradictory on the matter. To state that she is for or against legalisation is not keeping to what the sources explicitly state, which needs to be done in order to keep in line with Wikipedia's WP:SYNTHESIS rule. Also see - https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2014/06/18/the-difference-between-legalisation-and-decriminalisation Helper201 (talk) 14:00, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Saarbrücker Schule [ edit ]

Str1977, ich bitte um Auskunft, weshalb Sie "Forschungsergebnisse" gestrichen haben. Raymond Dequin (talk) 05:54, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Welche Forschung betreibt diese Gruppe denn? Ich habe neulich mal wieder eines ihrer Bände zur Hand genommen. Da wurde mehr postuliert als dass erarbeitete Forschungsergebnisse referiert wurden. Str1977 (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Wenn von einem Dutzend Verfassern auf mehreren tausend Seiten in Hinblick auf bestimmte Forschungsfragen zum frühen Islam Beobachtungen und Überlegungen niedergelegt werden, dann handelt es sich tatsächlich um Forschung. Um Thesen handelt es sich hier nur insofern, als diese in einzelnen Fällen aus den Forschungen erwachsen sind. Ich halte Ihre Streichung nicht für hilfreich für die Wikipedia, da sie zu einer Fehlbenennung dieses Abschnitts führt. Ich habe den Eindruck, daß Sie lediglich Ihr ungünstiges Urteil über die Forschungen der Saarbrücker Schule zum Ausdruck bringen wollen, indem sie ihnen die gewiß wesentliche Eigenschaft absprechen wollen, überhaupt Forschung darzustellen. Der ganze Beitrag handelt aber nur von den Forschungen der Saarbrücker Schule, über die der Benutzer der Wikipedia hier etwas erfahren kann und soll. Dem dient es nicht, wenn die Forschungsergebnisse in einem Abschnitt mit einer irreführenden Überschrift versteckt werden, die den Eindruck erweckt, es handle sich um bloße Behauptungen. Ihre Kritik können Sie gerne an geeigneter Stelle veröffentlichen, aber Ihr Eingriff in den Text ist dafür nicht das richtige Mittel. Ich möchte Sie deshalb bitten, Ihre Streichung rückgängig zu machen, andernfalls ich selbst dies tun werde. Raymond Dequin (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Rise of Macedon --> HELLENIC KINGDOM [ edit ]

New WP:CONSENSUS Building. "Greek" or "Hellenic" precedes "kingdom" in the first sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragao2004 (talkcontribs) 04:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hapsburg vs Habsburg [ edit ]

In my experience, in Australian English, we write and pronounce it as Hapsburg not Habsburg. Whether this matches how it is written/pronounced elsewhere, I cannot say, but in an Australian article, it's best to leave it as Hapsburg unless you have an Australian citation that says otherwise. Kerry (talk) 00:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Lorde [ edit ]

Okay let's settle down things here:

  1. Your edit was not constructive: changing the order of mention of her parents AND rewording the bit (which is not significant at all)
  2. Present perfect tense (has/have + PP) is terrible for a quality article
  3. Lorde did not even speak out against: she said she found it "frustrating" thus wanted to focus on her music. Did she try to preach? Did she burst that out of a sudden? Was she asked about her opinion? The quotation is used in the article with no context, so it's best to keep the original wording (The NZ Herald opined): after all it's NOT her opinion / it's the opinion of THE PUBLICATION - they are two different things (she didn't even "blast out at", like what the publication said)

Please reply to me here so that we can proceed. (talk) 03:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

How about you accept what the source actually says with fits well with what I wrote. Your version however use the whole reference merely to source the statement that she is a feminist and then take another article to mellow down what she said.
Also, you are not the arbiter of what is constructive. You do not WP:OWN the article]].
Str1977(talk) 05:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
You completely disregarded what I said: the original phrasing reflects the opinion not the article -- not Lorde herself. Present perfect tense is terrible (does she still hold a grudge against sexualised performance till this day?) -- you haven't replied to this. Yes I do now own any article, but I can have an opinion on whether an edit is constructive or not -- never said I owned any article.
Now, look at the original phrasing: "The New Zealand Herald opined that her feminist ideology was different from her contemporaries due to Lorde's disinterest in sexualised performances" -- a interpretation of this article -- How does this try to mellow down anything? She didn't even "speak out against" any "shock tactics". Now, look at this article -- She said: "I'm a feminist so certain things about pop music I find frustrating. I think pop is scarily powerful. There are a lot of shock tactics these days: people trying to outdo each other, which will probably culminate in two people f***ing on stage at the Grammys" -- that she expressed her frustration is different from that she spoke out against it -- did she try to say that shock tactics in pop were bad? She followed up that she tried to ignore that to focus on her own music. She even clarified she was a "sex-positive person" -- she didn't need such tactics for her music -- Did she really care about what those people were doing?
Also, by rephrasing like what you did, you completely omitted The NZ Herald's more detailed explanation of Lorde's feminist ideology.
I haven't received your solid argument for your phrasing. On another note: your interpretation ("Lorde spoke out against 'shock tactics'") was identical to tabloids news headlines that cultivated a widespread hate on Lorde from fans of mainstream artists, which wasn't even her own words. So please, be careful with what you bring in the article. (talk) 13:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
And, I don't have to accept with you if I find your phrasing inaccurate. You used a source that sensationalised Lorde's original statements: that's dangerous. And you completely ignored the second article that was used in the original version. (talk) 13:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Any reply on this? (talk) 01:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Arthur Neville Chamberlain [ edit ]

Nobody has ever heard of "Arthur Neville Chamberlain". He is known as, and properly referred to as, Neville Chamberlain. DuncanHill (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

That's his proper name. His article might be suitabl placed at the shorter form but such lists should have the full name. Str1977 (talk) 19:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
No, he was not known as that. All you are doing is needlessly confusing readers, and making it look like Wikipedia was written by people who have no knowledge of what they are writing about. DuncanHill (talk) 19:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Nonsense! No one is confused by the full name - it's not like I replaced "Neville Chamberlain" with "Arthur Chamberlain". As for your last line, this rather holds true for claims that his first name was somehow a secret. Str1977 (talk) 19:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
It was not used. We don't call people by names they did not use and were not known by. Have you ever seen a book about him? If so, you will see that, except in a note about what he was christened, he is always, but always, called Neville, not Arthur Neville. DuncanHill (talk) 19:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
It is not at all unusual for English people to be known by a second name. You need to undo your changes, and stop making things up in your edit summaries. DuncanHill (talk) 19:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
The harm is you baffle the reader and make Wikipedia look stupid. Perhaps that is your aim. DuncanHill (talk) 19:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

You also need to read WP:BRD. You were bold, I reverted and opened a discussion. You decided to re-insert your changes, contrary to all historical and biographical practice both on and off wiki. DuncanHill (talk) 19:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

What kind of discussion is calling the other side as "making Wikipedia look stupid"? You have said nothing that has actual substance. Your "baffled reader" is merely your imagination. Str1977 (talk) 20:00, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
So your position is we should call people by names which they did not use and which nobody else ever used? How does that benefit anyone? If someone wants to know Neville Chamberlain's full name they can read the article about him. Someone reading about the various National Governments will be very unlikely to have ever heard of "Arthur Neville Chamberlain", they almost certainly will have heard of Neville Chamberlain, if only because of Munich (you may even have heard of that yourself). On Wikipedia we call people by the names they used and were known by, not what the clerk of the court would have read out when they were up on a charge. DuncanHill (talk) 20:05, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
That Chamberlain never used his full name is merely your claim. With that your whole claim falls apart.
That anyone would be wondering who this Arthur Neville Chamberlain is - when Chamberlain is one of the most prominent inter-war politicians - is also your peculiar idea.
Do you think cheap shots like "you may even have heard of that yourself" will persuade me or anyone?
Nevertheless, despited your lack of good faith, I am willing to offer you this compromise: restrict the full names to the cabinet lists, use the more popular short form in the narrative. Str1977 (talk) 20:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Neville Chamberlain was one of the most prominent inter-war politicians, Arthur Neville Chamberlain is a name on a birth certificate. Do you have any reliable historical or biographical sources for him being known as Arthur Neville Chamberlain? Did any of the reporting of Munich, of the Norway Debate, call him that? No. And I am sure you know that. DuncanHill (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
The two are not separate but one and the same person, a person fully called Arthur Neville Chamberlain. While giving his full name might not be essential, it is also not wrong. Your objection boils down to nothing but "I don't like it!" That's unacceptable. Str1977 (talk) 21:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Your reason appears to be "I don't like calling him by the name he answered to, and was known by both publicly and privately, and which he is called in all reliable sources, so I shall ignore all of those". DuncanHill (talk) 21:43, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
@Str1977: It's also inconsistent. Why in the same article do you not refer to Kingsley Wood as Howard Kingsley Wood—or, for that matter, to Winston Churchill as Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill? I agree with DuncanHill: at best, adding Chamberlain's first name is inadvertently confusing to readers. —C.Fred (talk) 21:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

When in Rome? [ edit ]

Hi there Str1977. Re: your recent edits for "proper name" at Lovely Joan... I feel you may have your work cut out to "correct" everything across the whole of Wikipedia. Or is it just Joan that needs correction? I have no strong view either way, about which is more correct. But why do we have all those Cats, such as Category:Roman Catholic mystics, Category:French Roman Catholic saints and Category:15th-century Roman Catholic martyrs, etc. etc? How does one reconcile? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Joan's article is hardly the first where this mistake has been corrected, not just by me.
I stay away from categories because they are a whole different can of worms. Str1977 (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
If this is, as you suggest, "a mistake", couldn't we expect to see some clear central policy or even just some kind of advice on this? I find it hard to imagine that the question has never cropped up at Wikipedia before. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
It has cropped up! Str1977 (talk) 21:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

RFC Invitation [ edit ]

Hello, I woulda love to get your input regarding an RFC discussion in Manual of Style that I think you would be interested in, please read the question in debate (written by a neutral party) and also the threaded discussion and votes by some editors that you will no doubt find quite interesting. If you would like to offer your opinion on this discussion it's located here. Thanks! AnAudLife (talk) 20:26, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

The RfC expired. KyleJoantalk 03:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Expired or not, it can still be commented on. 2601:5C8:C200:A420:742B:3575:CE1:3B4B (talk) 05:22, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Guys! Sorry I am too late to comment on the RfC. I have no idea why AnAudLife contacted me and and I am not interested in your bickering, KJ, which I hereby remove from this talk page. Str1977 (talk) 09:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
No problem at all! It wasn't me who extended the invitation. Cheers! KyleJoantalk 10:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
However, it was you who began the bickering. I don't know whether you have a problem with AnAudLife and I don't care. I will have no part of it. Str1977 (talk) 12:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Str1977, you can still offer your opinion if you would like. AnAudLife (talk) 14:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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Skinner [ edit ]

I'm not sure what it is that you need clarifying in the Dennis Skinner article. Talked out and writ of election are linked, and I think between them the sentences are clear - am I missing something? DuncanHill (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: What's unclear is what a writ for a by-election has to do with the issues discussed in that debate. If nothing it is questionable whether the writs should be mentioned at all - Skinner could have talked about the phone book or recited poetry to filibuster the debate. Also, why was it Skinner's job to put fort these writs at that time? Str1977 (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
He couldn't have got away with talking about the phone book or reciting poetry, as it says at Filibuster#United_Kingdom "The procedures of the House of Commons require that members cover only points germane to the topic under consideration or the debate underway whilst speaking". At that time at least any MP could move the writ. He moved the writ, and other MPs kept up the debate about it. The refs, especially the Hansard links, make it clear. It's well worth reading the Hansard refs. Essentially he prevented the debate about the other matters even starting, by moving the writs. I don't think the fine details need going into in the Skinner article - we say he talked out the other bills by moving the writs. We link to filibuster and to writ of election. DuncanHill (talk) 21:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Jacob Rees-Mogg did recite poetry in one debate (of course not all through his filibuster and poetry he could link to the topic at hand). My question remains: why mention the writs at all. Isn't it enough to say that Skinner talked out the topics at hand? If not, given that the two occasions are topically linked and appear side by side, we could add a "Both times he started a debate about the writs etc. etc. Str1977 (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

December 2019 [ edit ]

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Like I had mentioned in an edit summary, this was discussed on the main project's talk page, yet you kept changing it under the pretense of it being a "peacock term", which is false, and under the excuse of "this is the way it's been done for years", which is not a valid enough reason. --JDC808 03:52, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
It was discussed. What was not done was any decision that authorized you to insert the same peacock term (which it is) on dozens of pages, three times on each page. You have no valid reason at all expect your obsession to include everything in each place, including mentioning everything by its official title of the day, thereby bloating articles and making them basically unreadable. Str1977 (talk) 08:29, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Lucy Westenra [ edit ]

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to achieve there. And here you are so obviously wrong: your selective citation (you left out "at first") turns her into the archetype that Stoker in fact actively counters. And citing this, this pdf that you keep sticking back in, is of no use also. Besides the fact that "Lucy is gradually drained by Dracula" doesn't appear on p. 175 (I guess it's your interpretation of the "Young miss is bad" bit?), as you seemed to claim, it is also entirely unclear which version of the text is in that free pdf. The textual history of Dracula is complicated, and such free texts rarely have any kind of editorial oversight. So, is it the first published version? The redacted 1901 version? Finally, your comment about "character history" and "critic's interpretation" is completely misguided: you seem to think that there is some easy, clean, "character history" which doesn't involved interpretation. But you are yourself interpreting her when you make her into the Victorian archetype by misquoting a critic. I don't know if you or that crazy IP was responsible for the wording I changed here, but that was pretty gross: that wording suggested she just sat on a pretty chair and waited for men to come to her. If you want to treat a pretty important character of a pretty important novel in that way, you are doing the character and the novel injustice. And I just saw you pushed that foolishness even further, leaving a quote from a critic without acknowledging it, let alone acknowledging that this was only part of the quote. If you want to go about editing articles in that way, maybe stick to rasslin. Drmies (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I could wonder the same about your edits. The issue I have with them is that you repeatedly insert statements of criticism into a section that is supposed to deal with the character's history (and sometimes, as the IP rightfully pointed out, you introduce false statements like that that Lucy as a vampire had sex with Dracula - nothing like that appears in the book). While the article doesn't need to retell the entire plot of the novel, the defining events of the character should be included. And that she is drained of blood by Dracula is basically the element that appears most often (And p. 175 was only one such instance.)
There is another subsection for critical interpretation where all the Ledgers of the world are much more apt.
My distinction is not misguided: there is a difference between merely covering the narrative (sure, that's never free of interpretation) and actual literary criticism, that makes all kinds of observations or uses all kinds of theories (some good, some not so good). Keep the two separate is my chief aim, the other is to avoid the kind of deletionism I detect in some of your edits.
As for your complaint: I did not insert that Ledger quote (I assumed it came from you) but neither do I think it "gross").
Finally, everyone can do without your personal attacks, which I will remove from the version of this response that I will copy and paste to the article talk page. Str1977 (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Those comments about Ledger are foolish. That you are quoting her only partially is a fact; she is "demure" etc. ONLY at first sight. It may well be that you only care about "first sight", but that's not an attitude you should expert into an encyclopedic article. She is not demure. I suppose I'm glad you acknowledge that you "covering the narrative" is never free of interpretation; what is surprising is that you do not follow up on that by clearing said narrative of what is essentially misogynist commentary. You can complain about deletionism, but the purpose of Wikipedia is not to include everything--it's to include verifiable and relevant information. Any editor can look at the difference between this collection of unverified factoids and this version, with six impeccable sources added. Oh, yeah, the IP was right about something--well, you could have must moved that half sentence. Big deal. Now, if you go around copying and pasting other people's remarks (without their permission), make sure you don't misquote or quote out of context. Drmies (talk) 21:15, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
What is this?