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November 23 [ edit ]

Searching for Wikiepedia articles on Google looks off for the section I added [ edit ]

Recently I've been editing and adding a bunch of things to the Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana page, including the Sales section. The problem is that this section looks off on Google when you search for it. Just go on Google and search "Ys VIII sales Wikipedia", and you'll see "Sales [edit]" even though it's not supposed to be there? Is there any way to fix this?HamlockK (talk) 00:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@HamlockK: Wikipedia has no control over how Google displays its information. Our servers create ad serve an HTML page that Google interprets. Our page does in fact have the text you quoted. -Arch dude (talk) 01:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Linking to Wiktionary in prose? [ edit ]

I was reading WP:MOSSIS and saw that Wiktionary links can be linked in prose. Is there any precedent for pointing to a specific definition? Should I use an {{efn}} for that? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tenryuu. I'm not sure what you're asking. What's wrong with [[wikt:help#Etymology 2|]], which displays as help? --ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, I was just wondering if there was any established guideline for pointing to, say, the fifth definition from the Etymology 2 verb, though it appears that from your answer there doesn't seem to be any. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there's no way short of using Xpath, Tenryuu (and I don't know of a way of getting that into a URL): the numbering of the senses is just done by an HTML 'ol' (ordered list) tag, so there's no id on a sense that you could link to. --ColinFine (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: Thanks for your help; I'm not going to delve into Xpath as that's too advanced for me, but I'll figure out how to best word the sentence I'm thinking of then. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine You can link to specific text using Link to text fragment. However as of right now this isn't a good option as I'm pretty sure it only works on Chrome and Chromium (web browser) browsers. Nithintalk 01:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

List formatting [ edit ]

At this section on my userpage, I am trying to get "Help Desk, the greeting, "reference desk", and that greeting to all appear on different lines, rather than as prose. Does anyone know how to do this? Placing colons didn't work, nor did bullet points. Thanks. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 05:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Squeeps10, most likely it's the nowiki tags. Have you thought about replacing them with pre tags? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, I can't believe I didn't realize that. What is a pre tag, and what does it do? {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk}Please ping when replying. 07:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Squeeps10: They're preformatted tags, which will put text in a box without rendering it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu: thanks, I'll try that in the morning. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk}Please ping when replying. 07:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

In regard to create a new page for an education institute [ edit ]

Hello There,

I want to create a Wikipedia page for an educational institute but don't know how to create it. Could you guys please help me with this?

Thanks Ayushi Agrawal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayushigarg0822 (talkcontribs) 05:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Ayushigarg0822, instructions to create your article are at WP:AFC. Please also read WP:ORG and WP:GNG. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 06:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Ayushigarg0822. I may be misunderstanding you, but often when people ask about creating "a page for" something, they are under the misapprehension that Wikipedia is a place to tell the world about their something. It is not. If Wikipedia ever has an article about your institution (whether created by you or anbody else), the article will not belong to the institution, the institution will not control its contents, it should not be based on what the institution says or wants to say about itself, but on what independent commentators have published about the institution, and it could end up containing material which the institution would prefer it not to contain. --ColinFine (talk) 11:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Red cat [ edit ]

This page has a red-link category (see below) -- Category:Wikipedia help pages with dated sectional. Either a typo or perhaps vandalism; presumably should be Category:Wikipedia help pages with dated sections. How to fix? -- (talk) 06:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and fixed it. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 06:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Face-smile.svgThank you@Squeeps10: -- (talk) 06:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC) . . .
[edit:06:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)]Category:Wikipedia help pages with dated sections should be added, I believe.
It's showing in the edit window, but not the published page. I'll let someone else figure it out, I'm not great with categories. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 21:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Squeeps10: It's a hidden category, so shouldn't show up. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Pppery so the page is categorized correctly? {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 21:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Squeeps10: Yes. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Pppery. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 21:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Oic -- thx -- (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Recently star suvarna channel logo changed, I want to change to logo, how to change the logo or upload — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harishlash (talkcontribs) 07:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Harishlash, does Wikipedia:Logos tell you what you want to know? —teb728 t c 09:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Getting Authority Control to Populate [ edit ]

I somewhat inherited an article on the guitarist / singer Rocky Kramer and recently placed an Authority control template on the bottom of the page, as some discussions I found seemed to instruct. I also went into the corresponding Wikidata page and updated as much information as possible. Although I found many discussions about Authority Control throughout WP, I found almost nothing that educated me as to how to get the Wikidata information to populate to the article's template box. Have I failed to insert some necessary element into the Wikidata file or does it take some time to populate? I apologize if this is something I should know, but it seems exceptionally complicated and I couldn't find any tutorials that addressed from the standpoint of a complete novice. I would really appreciate someone helping me get it working properly or leading me to a decent tutorial of some sort. Thank you much! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 09:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Warriorboy85: Although the Wikidata item has good deal of information it does not seem to have had any identifiers added (VIAF etc.). Eagleash (talk) 09:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Eagleash: I saw several discussions about VIAF and a list of identifiers, but nothing that explained where I can find the identifiers and how to add them to Wikidata. Do you know of any tutorial designed to educate a total novice? Thanks so much for giving me some direction. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 10:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Warriorboy85: If I understand correctly, only the templates at Category:Templates using data from Wikidata use data from Wikidata. Are you wanting to learn how to modify other templates to use Wikidata? —teb728 t c 10:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Teb728: My problem is that I don't really know what I need to do. I added the Authority Control template and added as much information as I could to the Wikidata file corresponding to the article. I am now discovering that I need to add identifiers, but have no idea how to get identifiers or where to insert them should I get them. Do they populate on their own from WP, if I do nothing? At this point I think I need to do a lot of research before I attempt anything further in terms of Authority Control. I really thank everyone for trying to assist me! You guys are very thoughtful. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 10:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Warriorboy85: FWIW; see a well-known musician's] Wikidata item for an example of a page with a lot (rather more than you would need!) of identifiers. The only way I can see of finding them is searching probably each individual site and adding them. This seems labour intensive etc. and TBH whenever I've added a new item to Wikidata identifiers seems to appear by themselves in the same way that a bot adds the metadata to images at Commons. However you might be able to kick things off a bit by looking at the obvious ones at the example shown. If you are stull having problems, click the 'help' ;ink at the left of the Wikidata page. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
PS I didn't get your ping; (just in case) you need to add the ping, the message and the signature all in one 'go'. Later amnedments cause the ping to fail. Eagleash (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
PPS this user and this one are also usually pretty helpful over at 'Data'. Eagleash (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Yet more... if I remember rightly, when you add the statement 'VIAF' (say) the identifier section heading is created automatically; not 100% certain about that though. Still the need to find the individual IDs etc though. Eagleash (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Eagleash: Thank you very much for your help and my apologies for the delay getting back to you. I had to get some rest for work today. This help forum is a very nice community and I appreciate the help. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 16:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to collapse selected rows of a table? [ edit ]

In IBM System/370#Architecture details I have a table with several long sections. There is a heading row showing bit positions, and I want cells in subsequent rows to align with those headings, so I don't want to put those sections in nested tables. I would like to make each of Control Registers and General Registers separately collapsible. Is there a way to do that? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Naming templates [ edit ]

Are there any templates which can be used to identify articles which are poorly named? Perhaps where the article location on the bold section of the lede do not match? Fob.schools (talk) 12:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not aware of such a template. If there indeed isn't one, you might use {{self-contradictory}} accompanied by an explanation on the article's talk page and/or clarification in the template's |about= parameter. Deor (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Oops, forgot to ping Fob.schools. Deor (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Deor - any value in creating one, do you think? Fob.schools (talk) 20:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Fob.schools I think it might be worth it. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 22:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
For the record, the article that caused me to ask the questions was Port City Colombo, which seems to be an old name for the area in question. I'm wondering what might be a good template to use as a basis for the new template? And what would be a good name? {{misnamed}}? Fob.schools (talk) 12:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

new topic on Fr Mathew Vayalamannil [ edit ]

new topic on Fr Mathew Vayalamannil was declined — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercythomas (talkcontribs) 13:59, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, and for the usual reason. Draft:Mathew Vayalamannil fails to demonstrate that its subject is notable, in Wikipedia's sense of that word. Please click that blue link. Maproom (talk) 14:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Indeed, Mercythomas, Draft:Mathew Vayalamannil was declined. The reasons are at the top, and the various blue links in that point you to pages which explain the problems. You might also find WP:CSMN helpful. Note also that evaluative phrases like "most renowned" and "really interesting" are almost never appropriate in a Wikipedia article, which should always be written not from the author's knowledge (still less the author's opinion) but solely from what independent reliably-published sources say about the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 14:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@Maercythomas: It was declined because notability had not been established. Wikipedia requires in-depth coverage in multiple independent,reliable sources. The references given are not usable. One is a routine listing which really only shows that he exists within an organisation and one seems to be little more than an advert for a retreat. Also YouTube is not typically acceptable as a source. Please follow the links in the decline notice for more information and review the guide to article creation. Another useful guide to creating an article can also be found at this page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you and good luck. Eagleash (talk) 14:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

How to cite author in a reference where no author is given? [ edit ]

Often, I have used "Staff" or "Editors" as the author in a reference to a reliable source, where no specific name is given. Another editor has advocated that the authorship be left blank on the theory of "who cares?". What is the preferred practice and is there an MOS citation for it? HopsonRoad (talk) 14:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@HopsonRoad: Leave it blank. If we ever get around to automating an author search based on the information in templates, this will be the best solution. A case could be made for using "staff" or "editors" if the source specifically attributes "staff" or "editors", but as a personal opinion, I would be against that. -Arch dude (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@HopsonRoad, Arch dude: I don't know there's a more policy-/help page-/guideline- etc.-based source for this tidbit (or maybe discussion at the pump, etc.), but for what it's worth, the documentation for {{Author incomplete}} provides as follows:

"If you know that no author was specified by the original source, as in common in many newswires, explicitly state this with:

    1. |author=<!--none-->
      or for free-form citations:
    2. <!--No author specified by source.-->"--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@HopsonRoad: See also the first two examples at Template:Cite web#Usage. Deor (talk) 19:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Unable to edit a page? [ edit ]

out of scope for the help desk. Discuss at Talk:President-elect of the United States

This page on Wiki,, contains false information and yet there is no ability to edit or post a warning. Why is that? The President-Elect is not chosen by the media and the 2020 election for the President of the United States has not been finally decided by the established process. Recounts and legal challenges are underway. At the very least, this page's pronouncements are premature. At most, they are deceiving the American public. It makes Wiki look bad. Who will trust Wiki if these pronouncements are proven wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRWAuthor (talkcontribs) 14:10, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi MRWAuthor - the page is currently page protected against vandalism, requiring WP:Extended Confirmed (500 edits, 30 days) or better to edit. This is why you cannot edit the article. You can post requested edits to the talk page. Wikipedia only writes what is mentioned in reliable sources. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talkcontribs) 14:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@MRWAuthor: I fear you would be wasting your time trying to request a change on this particular topic, per the big STOP note at the top of the article's talk page which states:
  • Q1: Why does the article call Biden the President-elect when court cases are still pending, the results aren't official, or vote counting is still underway?
  • A1: Wikipedia content is based on reliable sources (see Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources), essentially all of which call Biden by the unofficial term President-elect of the United States, meaning he is the apparent and expected winner of the election. Major media outlets "call" elections based on reported votes, candidates' vote differences, and mathematical likelihood of one candidate overtaking the lead. (Source: AP)
In the impossible-to-imagine scenario that these pronouncements were to prove premature, Wikipedia would simply report the unfolding situation, based solely upon reliable sources and not hearsay and speculative legal actions. Wikipedia would not be embarrassed one iota, or have its reputation or trust dented, because Wikipedia simply follows what the world's mainstream media at large says, and does not lead the way or set the news agenda. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
don't feed the trolls. -Arch dude (talk) 16:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Community General Sanctions [ edit ]

Are there general help instructions for how to respond to disruptive editing in an area where Community General Sanctions are in effect? I know what the procedures are when ArbCom Discretionary Sanctions are in effect. The user is first alerted with the {{alert}} macro. Disruptive editing can then be reported to Arbitration Enforcement. Does one use the alert macro for community sanctions, or is there a sibling of it? Then is there a conduct forum to report disruptive editing, or does that go to Arbitration Enforcement, or to WP:ANI? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I see that I use the {{gs/alert}} macro. Where do I then report the editor? by the way, this isn't about the US Presidency, because that is ArbCom AP2. This is about covid.Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I am not familiar with this area, but based on the note at Wikipedia:General_sanctions/Coronavirus_disease_2019, it seems that you first need to warn an editor and then if the behavior persists an administrator may take action, so I suppose WP:ANI is a venue you can use for reporting it. RudolfRed (talk) 18:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
General sanctions function almost identically to discretionary sanctions by design, the only difference being GS actions don't go to WP:AE, instead going to WP:AN or WP:DRAMA. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 19:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Confused about article status that I recently submitted [ edit ]

Hi I am a professor at UCLA and am brand new to writing articles for Wikipedia so forgive my ignorance but I'd like to get clarification about an article that I recently submitted.

I wrote an article about a well known design approach that I created as a graduate student at MIT and have built my academic career around, called freedom and constraint topologies (FACT), and Melcous reviewed it (see below) and they flagged it as a possible conflict of interest since it's my own work and is possible self promotion. They moved it to my sandbox but I'm not sure what to do about it there.

Is it not possible for me to publish on my own work? I'm not being paid for writing the article and I'm not making money from the article either. Is there something I'm supposed to change about the article and then resubmit it? It's not clear what I am supposed to change since I can't do anything to make the article not about my own work? Or do you recommend I find others in my field who know about, use, and teach the theory of my design approach and have them publish the article on their own wikipedia account?

The topic should be Wikipedia worthy. I've published about the topic in over 40 journal articles, it's been written into respected engineering textbooks, and at least 10 professors teach the theory nationally and internationally in undergraduate and graduate level course at respected top-tier universities. I was honored by President Barack Obama at the White house for creating the approach (as is mentioned on wikipedia under the presidential early career award for scientists and engineers article) and I can't imagine who would be more qualified to write about the approach than its creator.

Melcous comments can be found at:

My article about FACT can be found at:

Any clarity would be much appreciated. Thanks for helping me understand and navigate all of this. best wishes, Jonathan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanbhopkins (talkcontribs) 20:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jonathanbhopkins. The problem is that it is a fundamental policy of Wikipedia that an article should be based almost entirely on sources independent of the subject. An article on your invention may be possible, if it can be based almost entirely on published materials entirely unconnected with you. Most of the references in your draft are to your own work: such sources can be used in only very limited ways - see PRIMARY. If there is enough material published about it not by you or your colleagues, then an article is possible; you are discouraged from writing it, as you do indeed have a conflict of interest, but not forbidden. If there is little or no material about the topic written and published entirely independently of you, then I'm afraid that it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
If the topic is genuinely notable, other experts in the field without your obvious conflict of interest would be the obvious candidates to create such an article. Some of the ten professors you mention, and the people who drew your work to Obama's people's attention, seem like obvious candidates. The creator of this approach, on the other hand, is inherently going to be biased in writing about it, just from the realities of human nature. We see the marvels of our own brainchildren clearly; and sometimes we see the flaws as well, with painful clarity. Are there solid introductory descriptions in the textbooks you mention? That's the sort of content we hope to see drawn on, by whoever writes the new article. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The current version of the draft is at Draft:Freedom and constraint topologies.   Maproom (talk) 23:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Jonathanbhopkins: I'm not an expert in citing scholarly works, but I do know that Google Scholar has been used in the past to determine the notability of research published on Wikipedia. Showing who is citing your research works better for notability validation than simply listing one's own published papers. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 01:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

changing title of a wikibio [ edit ]

I created a wiki page about Lynn Silver. In the first line I point out it is for Lynn L. Silver, but I would like to change the title to Lynn L. Silver because there is a Lynn D. Silver in a related field — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clquinn (talkcontribs) 21:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Clquinn Retitling an article (not just a mere "page") requires a page move, which you may request at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Somebody's moved it already, but it's not clear that Lynn D. Silver (if we're talking about the pediatrician) warrants an article, so this may all be moot. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Lynn L. SilverTimTempleton(talk)(cont) 00:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

November 24 [ edit ]

List of severe weather [ edit ]

Can you add monsoon black ice rip currents ice tsunami Lake affect snow On the severe weather Phenomenal list and can you put natural disaster natural whirlpool and put the The 2020 mental health pandemic d&v pandemic on the epidemic list and make a list of what to do on how to prepare for these types of situations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylwright (talkcontribs) 00:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

With regards to the what-to-do, we do not host how-to guides. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 00:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@Dylwright: Each article has an associated talk page (e.g. the article List of severe weather phenomena has a talk page at Talk:List of severe weather phenomena), which is the appropriate place to add suggestions on how to improve the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Viewing past edits and following edits on talk pages [ edit ]

Resolved: Rohan608 (talk) 03:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing. I want to understand how I can view all my past edits in one place, so I can go back to those pages? Also, I am trying to figure out how I would know if someone responds to me on a talk page like this one without going back and trying to find it? I added the page to my watchlist, but then it appears to show me the most recent edit regardless of whether someone replied to me on a talkpage. Thank you! Rohan608 (talk) 03:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Rohan608, hello and welcome to Wikipedia! At the top-right, you should find a Contributions button that will lead you to your contributions page. Let me know if you have any further questions. Heart(talk) 03:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
To your second question, if you follow a page by using the star right of the page title, it will add the page and its talk page to your watchlist. The watchlist is located left of the contributions button. Heart (talk) 03:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! Rohan608 (talk) 03:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Rohan608, also, if you look in your watchlist settings, unclick "Latest revisions". That will make it so you see every single edit made. By default this is on. To have it default to it to be off, make the settings you want to be the default, and then click the bookmark icon right of the filters. Be sure to check "Set as default." An experience edit will ping you like so: {{u|HeartGlow30797}}. Enjoy! Heart(talk) 03:23, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@Rohan608: Additionally, if you want to be notified when people reply to you, you can ask them to ping you on reply by appending {{pping}} in your comment or signature. Other editors aren't obligated to obey but the chance of receiving an alert goes up. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Are unsigned comments disruptive? [ edit ]

If so, how? JsfasdF252 (talk) 04:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

JsfasdF252, they're not disruptive per se, but they make it hard to figure out who said what in a conversation. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 04:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Very mildly so, yes. If an editor were to systematically refuse to sign their comments, they'd eventually get in trouble. But it's typically just a matter of gently educating newcomers. Is there a particular reason you ask? {{u|Sdkb}}talk 07:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
WP:SIGNHERE says posts must be signed, but does not say what happens if you don't. RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

"deprecated source" warning [ edit ]

I get an auto "deprecated source" warning when I add content from other places on Wikipedia-- but I typically have numerous sources and have no way to determine which is "deprecated". Why can't there just be a clear system? tahc chat 04:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Tahc, you can consult the reliable sources noticeboard or the perennial sources list to determine which sources have been deprecated on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:26, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

AfC problem [ edit ]

Some entries in categories like Category:AfC pending submissions by age/2 months ago say "Draft article not currently submitted for review." It's a waste of time to click on one of them. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, hmm, maybe bring this up at WT:AFC and provide an example? Folks there might be able to troubleshoot. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 07:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
There apepars to be a problem in the code that detects if the draft is already submitted for review. For example, Draft:Global Antibiotic Research and Development Partnership has two AfC boxes: The grey "unsubmitted" one at the top, and the yellow "submitted" box at the bottom. Probbably belongs to the greater amount of problems arriving because of the rename of Template:AFC submission to Template:AfC submission. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Changes have been reverted [ edit ]

I tried making some changes to my boss Ms. Neha Kirpal's Wikipedia page today. These are all factual changes that have been approved by her. However, the changes were reverted by another user who said they are not constructive. Do not know what to do. I just created my account today. Kindly help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mythologypoetess (talkcontribs)

Wikipedia doesn't use people asserting truth, it uses verifiability based on what reliable, independent sources say. We don't care what Kirpal says about herself. Also, please read WP:COI, WP:PAID and WP:NOTPROMO- sentences like "For over a decade, Neha Kirpal worked at the intersection of the creative and social sectors." are not neutral point of view, and are not acceptable here. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
The subject of a Wikipedia article does not have any kind of control or authority over the article. On the contrary, the subject and people associated with them are actively discouraged from editing the article at all. JIP | Talk 13:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
If she is your boss, you probably shouldn't be editing the article about her in the first place.--Khajidha (talk) 16:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Mythologypoetess Your edits were also copyright violations. I have posted a notice about this at your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Watclist [ edit ]

How do I watch the Information about something I chose into my watch list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unalovespizza (talkcontribs) 14:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Unalovespizza: you can see a list of recent changes to articles on your watchlist by clicking on the "watchlist" link at the top right of this or any other Wikipedia page. To see the contents of a particular change, click on the "diff" link of the item in the list, or click on the "history" link to see the entire history of changes to the affected article. Play around to get a feel for how this works. -Arch dude (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
(e/c) Hi Unalovespizza. I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're asking, so if this does not answer your question, maybe you can clarify somewhat. After adding a page to your watchlist:
  • Click on watchlist to see pages that have been modified within the ambit of the settings you apply to your watchlist;
  • Be aware that you can modify those settings at: Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist, as well as apply various filters, filter categories of changes, limit namespaces, etc. using the tools provided above the watchlist itself;
  • there is also certain watchlist tools/scripts available from Wikipedia:Tools and Wikipedia:Scripts, and see also Wikipedia:Customizing watchlists;
  • Learn how to read diffs and page histories, and then make use of the "diff | hist" links provides next to entries populating your watchlist that pique your interest;
  • be aware that you can make a "super watchlist" of a small number of selected pages you want to monitor more closely. See Help:Public watchlist; and
  • Last but not least, see more information at Help:Watchlist.
Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Sheet Music Samples [ edit ]

Dear all,

I would like to mention here that there seems to be an issue with sheet music graphics and MIDI files on Wikipedia. For some reason, the sheet music is “temporary unavailable” and some explanatory text to that effect is displayed instead of the sheet music. I would like to know how to go about getting the sheet music to work again. Would you happen to have any knowledge of this. Thank you. (talk) 16:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Apparently it is a security issue that the tech team is working to fix. RudolfRed (talk) 19:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Your views are flawed [ edit ]

Not a question on using/editing Wikipedia. Discuss at relevant talkpage(s).

Your page on "Racism" contains a definition which is accurate and rooted in fact. ("Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.") However, your page on "Racism in the United States" is clearly attempting to change the very definition of the word "Racism" to further a political agenda. ("Racism is a systematized form of oppression which is developed by members of one race in order to persecute members of another race.") It is clear that there are massive swaths of the African American community who are attempting to change the definition of the word "Racism" to more directly coincide with the definition of the term "systemic racism". The subjective, insidious nature of this particular adjustment to our core English lexicon sets a very dangerous precedent. For example, there has been a contemporary notion that "Black people can't be racist". Given the definition of the word "racism" since its first appearance in the English language, the above statement is not only racist in itself, but furthermore bigoted and hypocritical. By allowing the politically motivated change in definition, Wikipedia is effectively rescinding its non-biased stance in favor of furthering the political agenda of racist, bigoted individuals who wish to absolve themselves of all consequences associated with their racist actions. Additionally, Wikipedia has become self-contradictory in naively allowing these political "language-tweaks" to go unchecked. We strongly urge the moderators to revise the aforementioned page on "Racism in the United States" to clearly delineate between "Racism" and "Systemic Racism". Ignorance of the difference is no excuse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

If you have suggestions to improve an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Whom is funding wikipedia [ edit ]

is it The Gates foundation?

They are being divisive and shutting information down as “conspiracy” World Economic Forum was held by Klaus and “The Great Reset” was one of his books. It was on the cover of time, on the mouths of world leaders - the name of a Sesame Street podcast- yet you are labelling this “conspiracy”

Your opinions of “far right” are way off too

The label “conspiracy” alone is opinion based — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7C10:E4B0:C511:D4D9:3223:FDD6 (talk) 22:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Financial reports are here: [1] It might include the major donors. There are also lots of people who only donate small amounts each. RudolfRed (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
You can also see Wikimedia_Foundation#Finances. However, WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
To address your real question, Wikipedia articles reflect what reliable sources say about the subject. Thus if these sources call something "far-right" or a "conspiracy theory" – this will be reflected in Wikipedia's content. – Teratix 01:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
There are so many things wrong in this post I don't know where to begin. First, as User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång and User:Teratix said, Wikipedia only reflects what reliable sources say about something, not what any editor thinks. Second, the Gates Foundation can, and most probably is, funding Wikipedia, but that is beside the point. All donations to Wikipedia go only to maintain the WikiMedia servers. The people who write the Wikipedia articles never see a single cent. Nor should they. This is a completely volunteer project. If it were possible to run Internet servers for free, this is what Wikipedia would do. Third, it's "Who is funding Wikipedia", not "Whom is funding Wikipedia". "Whom" is the accusative case of "who", not a fancy upper-class form to say "who". JIP | Talk 01:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

In graphic caption I want to put a reference to another Wikipedia location without visible reference details [ edit ]

In my graphic caption, I want the reader to see in the text: "methane pyrolysis" I want the reference to be active so normally I would put: "methane pyrolysis" However this only takes me to the Pyrolysis page, a way bit above where I want the reader to go. The actual referenced paragraph Methane pyrolysis on the Pyrolysis page needs to be this: "Pyrolysis#Methane_pyrolysis" However I just want the reader to see: methane pyrolysis

My Question is how to code this in the graphic description to show "methane pyrolysis" but use the reference "Pyrolysis#Methane_pyrolysis"

Thank you for your help. parent55 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parent55 (talkcontribs) 22:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Used a piped link: [[Pyrolysis#Methane_pyrolysis|methane pyrolysis]] produces methane pyrolysis RudolfRed (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

User Complain [ edit ]

Hi, over the past few days, I’ve been overhauling the articles for Transdev Blazefield and it’s subsidiaries. Most of my updates have been published without an issue. However, today I’ve spent hours updating subsidiaries including Rosso, Keighley Bus Company, and Harrogate bus company to update a their services to include all of the current brands and routes they offer. After taking a short break on completion of Rosso, I returned to find that it had been reverted back to its old status, it re-published my edits and continued with the other two companies. Tonight I have gone to check on these pages and all 3 articles have again been reverted. This has all been by the same user “Davey2010”. I ask that this be looked into and my edits be reinstated so that I can continue to update all the information for consumers to be informed properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshlyJethro (talkcontribs) 22:40, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@AshlyJethro: The place to discuss this is the talk page of each article. It is part of the normal process WP:BRD, and you are now in the "(D) discuss" step. RudolfRed (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
But please notice, AshlyJethro, that "for consumers to be informed properly" is not part of the purpose of Wikipedia. See WP:NOTTRAVEL. --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

How to contact an author to provide additional information and sources [ edit ]

I have been involved in research projects that have unearthed additional information on some articles. I really have tno interest in editing myself, is there a way to contact specific authors for an article or a general area I can ask if anyone has an interest in updating the article if I can provide new source material?

I find this all very confusing and am not even sure I'll be able to know if someone has an answer for me. Apologies in I've posted this in the wrong space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordsandsources (talkcontribs) 23:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Unless it has been formally published we can't use it. But if you have published sources, I would suggest bringing it up on the talk page(s) of the relevant article(s). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 23:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

November 25 [ edit ]

Small calendar template [ edit ]


I'd like to add the small monthly calendar template located in the top right of date wikipedia pages (for example, in July 19) to my userpage. I checked the page's source code, and it says the template is {{calendar}}. When I add this, my userpage ends up with a large yearly calendar, and when I try and fix this by setting it to the current month, I get a string of errors in the broken template.

Does anyone have any advice on what's happening and if I'm doing something wrong?

User:Heyoostorm_talk! 01:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Heyoostorm: I just looked at the source code of {{calendar}}. It is setting some of its parameters based on the page name of the page that includes it (?!). You will need to set those parameters yourself to get the result you want on your page. -Arch dude (talk) 01:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Thank you for that info. I was trying to answer the question and got confused on how {{calendar}} knows what to display on pages like July 19 when there are no paramters given to it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks everyone, I got it to work. User:Heyoostorm_talk! 14:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Are talk pages subject to rules about content and how to address repetitive claims in talk pages? [ edit ]

I see that a talk page about a university contains claims of sexism and being a "hotbed for the far-right" [2] with a series of links that do not say that according to talk history. It seems that the issue already has been addressed in the talk page archives [3] but that the user copy pasted its claim in the main talk page, without the answers, for it to stick to online readers. Can be considered an abusive use of talk page or should people give again the same answers to the same claims? Is there something to do about it?

Besides, it is written on the user page that he has been aggressive in the past against others, and he has been against me (I wrote something in the ANI, but with no answer) and I don't want to be on the receiving end of his attacks any more, is there a way to pass on the issue to somebody else (just raising the issue but not being involved so that the user does not attack me)?

Thank you.

Delfield (talk) 10:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

See Talk:University of Paris II Panthéon-Assas#Translation help needed. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
...and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#XIIIfromTOKYO (need an admin who speaks French). --Guy Macon (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Guy Macon: Thank you. The thing is I do not want to be part of the discussion, because of the aggressiveness of the other user, and I do not see how that won't turn ugly. Is there a way to state that I wish to stay out of it? I put back the answers from another user so that I do not have to check this again. --Delfield (talk) 14:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I advise saying that you do not want to be part of the discussion as a response to the ANI notice on your talk page (so it is easy to find) and then staying silent. Let the admins deal with this without you trying to "help". --Guy Macon (talk) 15:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I followed you advice. I understand that you need first to see if the claims are right, but I wish to stress that my original point was that he seems to have made such claims A LOT of times, that they have been answered, but he comes back anyway with those claims in the talk page to people to see, without the answers. And I wondered if there was a policy against that.
Please also note that all you links to the ANI are broken since the user changed the title of your section (for it not to refer to him any more, but to make it look as if it was primarily about the university page). Should one modify the links it my talk page and here? I cannot do it since it is in your text.
He also claims in the ANI that I insulted him, but as you advised, I won't intervene to defend myself, he would double down on his comments if I do anyway.
--Delfield (talk) 22:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Helpful hint: the best way to not discuss something is to not discuss it. Saying that you don't want to discuss it and them writing another paragraph or two isn't an effective way to not discuss it.
"In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade;
And he carries the reminders, of every glove that laid him down,
or cut him till he cried out, in his anger and his shame;
'I am leaving, I am leaving', But the fighter still remains..."
--The Boxer, by Simon & Garfunkel

--Guy Macon (talk) 23:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Guy Macon: Ok, thanks! --Delfield (talk) 17:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Linking query [ edit ]

Trying to link just the Saracen in Saracenhorns like this: "[[Saracen]]horns" but it's assuming I want the whole word (appears like Saracenhorns). Is there a way to just get the "Saracen" of the word linked? Aza24 (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: Yes, there is, like this: Saracenhorns. It works with other Tags wich break the rendering as well, including <span> Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Perfect, thank you! Aza24 (talk) 12:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24 and Victor Schmidt mobil: Please just don't do it, per WP:PLA. If Saracenhorn is closely related to Saracens, you can just mention them in the text and then link the topic directly. If it's not, there's no need for the link (similarly, you would not link Lake in 'Los Angeles [Lake]rs', would you?) --CiaPan (talk) 11:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@CiaPan: Ah yes, another random "explanatory supplement" no one has ever heard of :) Don't worry, this isn't the text where talking about. It's a section of a medieval French poem that demonstrates on example of something being discussed – unrelated to Saracens. I only linked because the section mentions "Saracenhorn" at some point and it seems likely to be an unfamiliar word to most readers ("Weep, harps and Saracenhorns, for..."). Aza24 (talk) 12:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Richard Nixon talk page archiving [ edit ]

There seems to be a problem with the archiving bot at Talk:Richard Nixon. A lot of the more recent discussions seem to have been added to the first and second archived talk pages. I'd be grateful if someone could have a look at this and hopefully fix it (I don't have a clue how to do it myself). Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 12:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Viennese Waltz, post this at the noticeboard for this sort of thing. The people there will help. This forum is more for general questions. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk}Please ping when replying. 22:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
OK thanks, I'll go there then. --Viennese Waltz 10:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

wikidumps sha1 segments ... [ edit ]

Technical details relating to a question about WP database dumps
I downloaded some of the 20200920 bz2 wikidumps and took care of checking their md5 and sha1 sums. To my understanding there is simply no way that the content of the compressed files containing the pages (which I have also eyeballed) could have been corrupted without anyone noticing.
Yet, when you decompress them you will see <sha1>...</sha1> segments containing CDATA inside of every <page>...</page> segment right after the <text bytes="[byte length of the UTF-8 text]" xml:space="...">...</text> (which "bytes" (length) value I have checked for every text segment). 

The sha1 string value which doesn't make any sense to me, because:

* sha1 values are 40 bytes long
* sha1sum Linux utility is telling me it doesn't seem to be right 
let's use as an example:
   <title>The New Woody Woodpecker Show</title>
   <redirect title="Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show" />
     <text bytes="49" xml:space="preserve">#REDIRECTION Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show</text>


276az6ruof7t45y5svax3omeamdxps3 is only 31 bytes long and this is what Linux message digest utilities tell me:

$ echo "#REDIRECTION Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show" | sha1sum f1160df2ed230af750122eb08376dfb9251b8951 -

$ sha1sum "/home/lbrtchx/cmllpz/temp/checkSHA1.txt" f1160df2ed230af750122eb08376dfb9251b8951 /home/lbrtchx/cmllpz/temp/checkSHA1.txt

$ cat "/home/lbrtchx/cmllpz/temp/checkSHA1.txt"

  1. REDIRECTION Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show


So, I have three related questions:

* What do those "sha1" segments inside of each "page" right bellow the "text" segment mean?
* Do you know of any "anatomical" analysis posted officially by wikipedia or anyone else with the explanation of the meaning of the tags they use?
 I could understand as topical such tags as:

  en|User talk
  en|Category talk
  en|Template talk
but I am not so sure about:
  ja|The Ultimate Fighter
  en|Star Wars
  ru|Pirates of the Caribbean
  ja|Pokémon the Series
are those colons in the titles officially used to define general topical matters such as Categories or anyone can just type a colon in a title to a message? or both? and in the last case which topics are owned by wikipedia and which aren't?
* There is also some funky mark up they use inside of their text segment which is xml-ish but not exactly xml. All I've heard was that such mark up is used as part of the processing through a mysql database. Could you safely use that kind of mark up to parse the document's segments?


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Albretch Mueller (talkcontribs) 12:09, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Albretch Mueller. This is a page for help with editing, and few people who inhabit here know much about database dumps. I suggest you ask at VPT. (Note that if you start a line with a space, it comes out preformatted, so please don't do that for the textual part of your question). --ColinFine (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

SVG upload problem: unsafe css [ edit ]

Hello, I have used the online tool Vectr to edit and improve an existing Wikimedia SVG file (of a geographic map) but when I use the Upload Wizard I get this message: "found unsafe css in the style element of uploaded svg file". I used the Vectr tool previously to edit and successfully upload SVG files. Is there a simple fix? Is there a simple tool to import and export a clean Wikimedia-compliant version? I looked at using Inkscape but it seems complicated to install and use. I tried LibreOffice Draw but struggled to ungroup everything. Could I send the SVG to someone who is an expert who could quickly load and correct it? Thanks for any assistance you can offer, Douglal (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

You might want to go to and look at the section that says "Web Apps: The idea with these tools is that you have an SVG on your machine and you upload it to this web app to optimize this one SVG."
If one of the tools works for you -- and especially if one of the tools reveals all of CSS in the SVG file -- please post your results here. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks Guy Macon. I used the SVGOMG tool with all its default clean-up settings and I had to turn on "Remove style elements" which fixed the problem. I've just uploaded the new slimmed down SVG to Wikimedia. Perfect! Cheers, Douglal (talk) 14:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

UVB-76: Revisions [ edit ]

25 November 2020 edits to UVB-76 were remove "because it did not appear constructive"

The first air date references make an unsubstantiated claim that UVB-76 was first heard in 1973, there is no proof of this and none is given by the "source" The claim is hearsay and has no basis in fact, because no evidence of this is provided to the reader.

The YouTube video is a fake, unless proven if in fact it was from 2 August 1976. The YouTube poster has never replied back to any "its a fake" comments nor does this YouTube poster have any other videos to back up this claim.

Keeping these poorly created "references" degrades the Wikipedia reputation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Your edits were removed (IMO) because they amounted to 'talking' within an article. This is not an encyclopedic way of dealing with perceived issues. If you have concerns about the content of an article, please start a discussion at its talk page – in this case at Talk:UVB-76 but please be sure to check the contents of the talk page for any related or previous discussions. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Jones (Musician) [ edit ]

Hello I represent Charlie Jones - Charlie Jones (musician) The site says it needs additional citation for verification Can you pleas elet me know what you need as we would very much like to sort it out asap! Many thanks for your help Carole Say — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helrecs (talkcontribs) 15:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Helrecs As noted in the notice on the article, independent reliable sources are needed to support the article's content. If you have such sources, please offer them on the article talk page as a formal edit request(click for instructions). Please also see your user talk page for important information about formal disclosures you may need to make. 331dot (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
(e/c) See Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. However, you should not really be editing the article at all as you have a conflict of interest, see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. --Viennese Waltz 16:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Helrecs, you can discuss improvements to the article at Charlie Jones (musician). Cullen328Let's discuss it 18:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Correct link is Talk:Charlie Jones (musician). Joseph2302 (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Andreas Roloff citation [ edit ]

Hello, I recently created Andreas Roloff by translating it from German to English. I made a mistake in carrying over the citations. I thought they would all transfer over, but I think I did it incorrectly. Is there an easier way than having to go through the article and change every last number box to the proper citation? Is there a bot that will do this automatically? Thank you. Thriley (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Thriley. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I suspect based on the contours of your question that there isn't one. Footnotes are automatically numbered in the text when they populate from the spots where there are <ref>...</ref> tags. So, for example, if you left out the citation that was in the original German article that had been numbered footnote 6, but placed the citations from the original that were numbered 7 through 100 from that original, those would automatically then display as 6 through 99. If I'm missing the issue, though, please advise. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

suspicions template [ edit ]

Template:DriverDB driver appears to be a system to generate external links to a commercial website and these links are very valuable for SEO purposes. I noticed it today on the Lewis Hamilton article. I do not know what is the protocol for deletion of a template, so I thought I would ask about it here. This looks abusive. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: It is used over 1000 pages and has existed since 2011. I don't think it is being used for spamming. You could start a discussion on the template's talk page and ping some of the editors of the template that are still active. Or you can ask on the talk page of one of the article's using it and perhaps someone can explain its use. If you feel strongly that it should be deleted, the venue is WP:TFD RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Estella Warren [ edit ]

I’m not a fan of Estella Warren, the actress. I do like the info about her. I don’t like the picture of her. It looks like she’s in distress or being arrested by the police. Can someone change the photo If Estella to a more current one, that shows a better image of her, please? 20:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Hello, IP user. Anybody can replace the photo - provided they have a replacement with the required free licence. The only other picture currently in Wikimedia Commons is File:Estella Warren 2008.jpg, which doesn't look like an improvement. Unless somebody contacts Warren or her agent, and asks for a better photo to be donated by the copyright holder, the only way it's going to happen is if somebody gets an opportunity to snap her, and chooses to release their photo and upload it to Commons. This is why so many articles have either no photo or a poort one: Wikipedia interprets the laws of copyright very carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) IP editor, if you have an image that is in the public domain, void of copyright, or meets fair use criteria, I suggest starting a discussion at Talk:Estella Warren. Relevant links: Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Fair use criteriaTenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Given what the article says about her arrest and subsequent behaviour, the exisiting photo would seem entirely appropriate.--Shantavira|feed me 12:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

November 26 [ edit ]

Off-Wikipedia editing question [ edit ]

Hello! My name is Jason - I'm a longtime wikipedia editor who's only ever done minor tweaks to articles here and there and never really joined the editing community. I didn't have an account (or one I remembered log in info for) until today. I'm an administrator of Weezerpedia, however, which borrows nearly all its style and formatting from you all. I have a few questions about infoboxes and templates that I can't quite seem to figure out on my own. Some are quite simple (why are those phantom line breaks appearing at the top of this page?) and others are a little more complicated (can I make a template that will populate info into various other templates, most of which have differing formatting? For an example, see all the different places I'm currently manually entering in the same info about album reviews.) I apologize if this isn't the proper venue for asking a question like this. If anyone is game to lend me a hand, I'd be immensely thankful! Sincerely and gratefully, Jasondanielboxer (talk) 00:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Jasondanielboxer I would also post this at WP:RDC if I were you. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 00:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Squeeps10 - thank you! --Jasondanielboxer (talk) 00:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Of course! Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you Jasondanielboxer. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 00:35, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Where can I find a list of users who got "Senior Vanguard Editor" badge? [ edit ]

Where can I find a list of users who got "Senior Vanguard Editor" badge? Man Floor (talk) 02:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Man Floor: You could go to the pages for Template:Senior Vanguard Editor Userbox, Template:Senior Vanguard Editor topicon, and Template:Senior Vanguard Editor, and click on "What links here" on the sidebar. Set your namespace parameter to "User" from the dropdown menu and you can see which users have it on their user pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Excellent, how to hide these repeated user names like this: IMAGE ?

I only want Senior Vanguard Editor Badge, why are you mentioning Userbox, topicon in your answer instead of just badge users which I exactly seeking for it? Man Floor (talk) 04:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Not sure which one you mean by badge. If you are not looking for users of the userbox or topicon then just ignore those and just look at the other one. Also, know that the service awards are just for fun and are self-awarded, so there will be many many more users who meet that criteria than who have the award. RudolfRed (talk) 04:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Man Floor, because they're arbitrarily given and different editors choose which one they want. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a table of data that pulls data from other articles?? [ edit ]

For example, there's an article on Hydrogen and it has an attribute "atomic number = 1" and state = gas. Another article for Helium has "atomic number = 2" and state = gas. And so on for the rest of the elements. How do I make a report or table of data that lists all the elements in column 1, atomic number in column 2, and state in column 3? The data has to be dynamically linked, meaning that when the data is changed either in the report on in the article, it must also update on the other. Is this possible? Thanks, Kenny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennymcmack (talkcontribs) 04:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Kennymcmack: This is possible with Wikidata.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

ThanksKennymcmack (talk) 05:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Kennymcmack: Yep, Wikidata is the right approach, but may require a fair amount of work. Wikidata is a database. The item of interest must be identified, which may require that you define a new data type in Wikidata. You then must add that data type in the wikidata record for each affected article, and then replace the raw text value in each article with a link to the Wikidata object instead. This will likely be easy if those articles are using a template that includes the data of interest. But all this work is useful beyond your immediate goal, because it allows other folks to use your new database item to make sophisticated queries. It is also the case that other editors will no longer be able to change the items in the "source" articles, but will be required to modify the Wikidata item instead. -Arch dude (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't like the new Template:Infobox reality competition season [ edit ]

Inserting a name for a show that's different from the name of the page is impossible. Take a look at: X Factor (Romanian season 9) #eXtra Factor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsterofain (talkcontribs) 08:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Taika Waititi [ edit ]

Dear Wikipedia Editors

As a proud Kiwi(New Zealander)seeing Taika Waititi, winner of the 2020 Oscar for adapted screenplay, for his movie Jojo Rabbit, credited as being from the United States (of America).

On Taikas' personal Wikipedia page he is correctly identified as being born in New Zealand (Aotearoa).

I hope this helps to correct this small error.


Kenneth van Bergen — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(I added a title to this question.) Hello Kenneth. Hopefully you'll return to this page and see this reply. It's not clear to me from your message what your issue is with the Jojo Rabbit article. The article doesn't describe Waititi as American. It does describe the film as an American/New Zealand/Czech Republic co-production, which is correct. If you could clarify your concerns it would be very helpful. Finally, you landed on the wrong Wikipedia page for this type of query. This page is for queries on how to use Wikipedia. The best place to discuss your concerns is on the article's talk page. You could also probably discuss it at the entertainment reference desk. Best wishes, --Viennese Waltz 10:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh wait, are you talking about the infobox in the article Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay? When it says "Country: United States" in that infobox, it's not referring to Waititi's nationality. It's referring to the country in which the award is given. --Viennese Waltz 10:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

When to remove unreferenced content, rather than tag with cn [ edit ]

Hi. I came across these edits today. I am not sure what the IP editor's issue is, but I don't think they are right to delete statements from the two articles without giving interested editors opportunity to provide missing sources. It isn't clear whether the IP editor believes those statements are false - they look plausible to me? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer:Wikipedia:Citation needed gives me the impression that if the information lacking sources is plausible/uncontroversial/etc (unless about a BLP), adding/keeping the {{cn}} tag is preferable to removing the content. WP:FAILEDVERIFICATION doesn't seem to provide any further information (to me, at least). In this case, I agree that the content looks plausible, so I'm not sure whether removing it all was the best option or not. Maybe discuss it with the IP to see what they think? Seagull123 Φ 13:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:BURDEN, the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material. I think there is often good reason to remove uncited claims even if you know the claim is true - for example, with the aim of tidying up articles as part of bigger work, maintaining a good standard, and defending them from slowly accumulating more dubious stuff. Adding information that is true and useful but not cited is not necessarily a net gain for the encyclopaedia. That's my 2c.
If someone adds an uncited claim to an article I watch, and it's definitely something that would improve the article, I will generally do the work and try to find a citation for it. But the onus is not on other editors to do this work. Popcornfud (talk) 13:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@Popcornfud: It seems to me that they've been over-zealous, removing almost every paragraph that doesn't have an inline citation, which ignores or is a mis-interpretation of WP:MINREF. The article has a bibliography section. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:32, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Curb Safe Charmer, to be quite honest, I haven't looked at this specific case and instead just barged in to give my 2 cents on removing uncited claims generally. Sorry about that. This editor may have been out of line. Popcornfud (talk) 14:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Submit an article about an actor [ edit ]

Hi, I would like to submit an article about an actor, if you could advise how to create or submit one, I'll be grateful.


Usman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musmanaman (talkcontribs) 12:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Musmanaman, info can be found at your first article. I would, however, comment that making a page is one of the harder things to do on wikipedia, and you'd be better served editing a few articles to get an understanding first. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(talkcontribs) 12:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It takes much effort, time, and practice. You will greatly increase your chances of success if you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. You should also use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.
An actor merits a Wikipedia article if they receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable actor. Not every actor merits an article, but you truly feel that the one you wish to write about does, you may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor, before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way you find out any problems first.
If you work for or represent this actor, you must review the conflict of interest and paid editing policies for information on formal disclosures you may be required to make. 331dot (talk) 12:15, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@Musmanaman: The central issue is notability: See WP:N and especially WP:NACTOR. A subject must be notable, or its article will be removed from Wikipedia. We remove more than 100 articles each day. Please do not waste any time on this effort (yours or ours) unless you first convince yourself that the actor meets our notability guidelines. If the actor is in fact notable, we can help you fix any other problems, but the most perfect article ever written will still be deleted if the subject is not notable. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

See: Evelyn Knight (Singer) [ edit ]

Every time I try to load a photo of Evelyn I keep getting notices that I've not provided sufficient licensing info, despite mentioning the photo came from her personal archives with credit given to Bruno of Hollywood ©1946. I am Evelyn's daughter and owner of her print, broadcast, and recording assets. Evelyn died in 2008. Bruno of Hollywood closed for business in the 60s and Bruno himself died in 1987. I'm not trying to monetize Mom's image, I just want to replace the one already there with a better one.

Advice please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightfamily (talkcontribs) 18:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Knightfamily, this is a matter for Wikimedia Commons, where you have uploaded the image and where a bot has proposed its deletion as lacking adequate information on its copyright status. You should discuss it there, not here at English Wikipedia; perhaps at their Help desk. The issue is not the ownership of the photo, it's ownership of copyright in the photo, which will belong to the photogarapher (or their heirs) unless there's a contract that says otherwise. Maproom (talk) 21:21, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Citing an image that I was given permission to use [ edit ]

I was given permission to use an image by its owner, but the image is neither mine nor copyright-free. How should I cite it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JPD10113519 (talkcontribs) 20:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@JPD10113519: See WP:DONATEIMAGE for instructions on how the copyright owner can verify the permission. even though it mentions images already online, I think you can use the same form/email method for images not online yet. RudolfRed (talk) 20:59, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Also, what do you mean by "its owner"? Ownership of a physical or digital copy of a picture does not give you any right to license its use; instead, such right resides in the holder of the copyright. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@JPD10113519: "Permission" is irrelevant, and "permission" from anyone other than the copyright owner has no meaning. The copyright owner (not you) must license the image to us (and everyone) with a CC-BY-SA license. If we have no such license from the copyright owner, then the only alternative is a free use rationale, which is highly restrictive (see WP:FREEUSE) but which requires no permission from the copyright owner or anyone else. -Arch dude (talk) 06:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to determine if a template was placed with subst? [ edit ]

I was browsing through WP:TFD and noticed several templates proposed with the reason that they are not used. OK, makes sense. My question is, if a template is always subsituted and never transcluded, is there any way to tell how much it is being used? For example, {{submit}} is always placed with {{subst:submit}}. Is there any way to know how much this template is used? RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I think you have to look for pieces of code from the transcluded template. Many templates (e.g., the Uw-* warning templates) include their name in an HTML comment. E.g., to see uses of {{Uw-vandalism4}} in User talk namespace, search for insource:"<!-- Template:uw-vandalism4 -->" like this. Unfortunately {{Submit}} (actually {{AfC submission/submit}}) doesn't include such a comment, so I think you're stuck with searching for the code it produces, like this (may not cover all possibilities, but I think this is most of it). Of course, it would still include results where people entered the same code manually, or perhaps other templates producing similar code. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

November 27 [ edit ]

Bill Bean Ministries for GOD [ edit ]

How do I pull up in my search the page(s) I made.... One is in my sandbox and the other was on the talk page...

I need to create an actual page for my boss.... Did I do the pages right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warriorprincess4christ (talkcontribs) 04:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

There are several issues, starting with an obvious conflict of interest on your part. You are strongly discouraged from creating or editing articles where you have a compensated relationship or other external relationship. Additionally, Wikipedia articles must be sourced to independent references and may not be promotional in character. Acroterion(talk) 04:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Further reading: Wikipedia:Paid editing, Wikipedia:Conflict of interestTenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
@Warriorprincess4christ: The central issue is notability: See WP:N. A subject must be notable, or its article will be removed from Wikipedia. We remove more than 100 articles each day. Please do not waste any time on this effort (yours or ours) unless you first convince yourself that the subject meets our notability guidelines. If the subject is in fact notable, we can help you fix any other problems, but the most perfect article ever written will still be deleted if the subject is not notable. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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